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webbrass
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posted 10-14-2005 01:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for webbrass   Click Here to Email webbrass     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was listening to a NASA podcast this morning and they were talking about Alan Shepard and his golf shot on the moon. One of the quotes was "...and of course it went on for miles and miles".

Well, my question is how far did that golf ball go? Did it really go miles and miles?

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posted 10-14-2005 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for apollo11lem5   Click Here to Email apollo11lem5     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I once asked Alan Shepard in person as to how far that ball actually went. He said that it actually went about 200 yards as I recall. "Miles and miles" was not literal but the restraints of the Apollo moon suit ware substantial.

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posted 10-14-2005 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aztecdoug   Click Here to Email Aztecdoug     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think it went very far really... There is a picture of Al's golfball to the right of Ed's javelin in a small crater...

Note, even Ed questions Al's claim of miles and miles!

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posted 10-14-2005 10:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ASCAN1984   Click Here to Email ASCAN1984     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with all the points above. A fact also to consider is that due to Al's quite big ego he is inclined to say that it went further than it actually did.

Rob Sumowski
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posted 10-16-2005 02:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rob Sumowski   Click Here to Email Rob Sumowski     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When I asked Ed Mitchell about this a couple of years ago, he told me the ball traveled more like feet and feet than miles and miles, "then dribbled off near a crater. It wasn't much of a shot."

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posted 07-30-2009 08:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for moorouge   Click Here to Email moorouge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
'Miles and miles'... when researching this I asked a golf fanatic who was also a mathematician how far could a golf ball be hit on the Moon. After some complicated calculations he came up with... assuming a typical club-head speed through the ball for a 6 iron, an unencumbered average club golfer could expect a distance of about 800 yards. Shepard, I believe, managed about 60 or so feet.

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posted 10-03-2010 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DChudwin   Click Here to Email DChudwin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is a post from the io9 blog about Alan Shepard's golf shot from the lunar surface on Apollo 14:
Apollo 14 astronaut Alan Shepard famously took a golf ball along with him to the Moon, making him the first person to play golf on another world. But just how far did his shot travel? One physicist has the answer.

After taking his second shot, Shepard observed the ball seemed to travel for "miles and miles and miles." Theoretical astrophysicist and ScienceBlogs writer Ethan Siegel put this claim to the test, calculating just how far you could send a golf ball flying in the airless, reduced gravity environment of the Moon.

He found that, assuming the golfing astronaut knew how to adjust his approach to properly take advantage of the Moon's environment, he could easily hit the ball 2.5 miles. Perhaps even more amazingly, the ball would likely stay in the air for about 70 seconds before finally coming to a rest. Shepard's shot likely wasn't quite perfect enough to make it that far, but he probably was right in his initial observation that the ball went over a mile into the distance.

Indeed, considering Earth's longest golf shot was probably Mike Austin's 515 yard drive in 1974, Shepard almost certainly holds the unofficial record for longest drive in human history.

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posted 10-03-2010 05:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I came across this same blog entry earlier today and I wrote Ethan Siegel and Alasdair Wilkins, the io9 reporter:
Ethan, enjoyed your physics lesson about hitting a golf ball off the Moon. At the end you wrote:
Now, if only there were some good way to find that ball in the great sand trap that is the Moon's surface...
Your write-up was picked up by io9.com, where Alasdair Wilkins (copied on this e-mail) noted:
Shepard's shot likely wasn't quite perfect enough to make it that far, but he probably was right in his initial observation that the ball went over a mile into the distance.
In fact, Shepard hit two golf balls and the location of both are known. One was even photographed after being hit. Neither traveled anywhere close to a mile.

The first ball, which he described as going "Miles and miles and miles" landed in what came to be known as Javelin crater. It was photographed through the window of the lunar module before the astronauts left the surface of the Moon.

You can see the golf ball laying just south of the 'javelin' which gave the small crater its name. The 'javelin' was the Solar Wind Collector staff, which fellow moonwalker Ed Mitchell threw as a make-shift javelin.

In a post-flight interview, Alan Shepard said the second ball he hit fell near where they deployed Apollo Lunar Surface Experiment Package, or ALSEP.

You can see the layout of the Apollo 14 landing site as as overlay of the imagery taken from orbit by the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) in 2009.

The ALSEP was deployed less than 200 meters from the lunar module. 'Javelin' crater is much closer. Here's the full frame shot from the lunar module window.

So we know exactly where one ball is and the general vicinity of the other, neither having traveled miles...

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posted 10-04-2010 02:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for moorouge   Click Here to Email moorouge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How far could have Shepard's golf ball gone? An extract from the 1971 edition of my booklet 'Manned Spaceflight' -
This activity raised queries as to the feasible distance a golf ball could be struck. I am informed by a mathematician, also a keen golfer, that assuming a speed off the club of 1200 f.p.s., which is average, and an elevation of 40 degrees, which is usual for a 6 iron, then a distance in the order of 900 yards could be expected. Of course, this is for an average golfer. A Nicklaus could be capable of much further, but Shepard, one handed and restricted by a spacesuit could have managed about 300 yards.

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posted 02-04-2011 07:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ABC News' The Conversation: Golfing on the Moon
This Super Bowl Sunday marks a big anniversary for an event in sports that was truly out of this world. It happened on the moon.

Forty years ago this Sunday, Apollo 14 astronauts Alan Shepard and Edgar Mitchell took an entirely different kind of "giant leap for mankind," playing sports on the lunar surface.

Shepard famously hit golf balls with a modified six-iron, and Mitchell threw a javelin. All these years later, the images of their fun on the moon are almost as closely associated with the Apollo moon program as the lunar rover...

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posted 02-04-2021 10:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AlanC   Click Here to Email AlanC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Golf on the moon: Apollo 14 50th anniversary images prove how far Alan Shepard hit ball.
But imaging specialist Andy Saunders has digitally enhanced recent high-resolution scans of the original photographic film, and applied a stacking technique on smaller 16mm "movie" footage shot by the crew, and managed to locate the second ball and work out how far it actually went...

"We can now fairly accurately determine that ball number one travelled 24 yards, and ball number two travelled 40 yards," says Cheshire-based Saunders, who has been working with the United States Golf Association (USGA) to mark the anniversary.

"Unfortunately, even the impressive second shot could hardly be described as 'miles and miles and miles', but of course this has only ever been regarded as a light-hearted exaggeration."

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posted 02-04-2021 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Space Cadet Carl   Click Here to Email Space Cadet Carl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great detective work by finally determining a half-century later that Shepard's two shots traveled 24 yards and 40 yards. In 1972, entertainer Bing Crosby asked Shepard if he would donate the golf club to the United States Golf Association Museum in New Jersey. In 1974, Shepard agreed to the request and donated the golf club to the museum.

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posted 02-04-2021 03:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceAholic   Click Here to Email SpaceAholic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Surprised it didnt travel further since given the direction the flag was flying Shepard clearly had the wind at his back.

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posted 02-05-2021 02:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jonnyed   Click Here to Email Jonnyed     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sadly for Alan too, he grounded his club in the "sand trap" prior to the shot which is a 2-stroke penalty.

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posted 02-05-2021 04:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for randyc   Click Here to Email randyc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What are the odds that the "javelin" Ed Mitchell threw landed the same distance as the first golf ball?

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posted 02-06-2021 12:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jonnyed   Click Here to Email Jonnyed     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good question. Perhaps a little synchronicity or parallelism with the next mission's "Hammer" and "Feather" striking the moon's surface at the same time? [grin]

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posted 06-09-2021 04:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scottvirgil   Click Here to Email Scottvirgil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is pretty much from the horses mouth. Worth watching the whole video, but reference to golf on the Moon starts around 7:14

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