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Robert Pearlman
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posted 11-11-2011 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Chris Matthews, anchor of MSNBC's Hardball, has a new book out, Jack Kennedy: Elusive Hero, that examines the life and death of the fallen president.

On page 401, Matthews writes about the "two monuments" that Jacqueline Kennedy wanted for her husband: an eternal flame at Arlington National Cemetery and...

The other commemoration she requested was quite different. She'd clearly given it careful thought. NASA's Apollo 5 mission was set to takeoff in January 1964. The president had mentioned the launch in recent speeches. She asked that her husband's initials be placed on a tiny corner of the great Saturn rocket where no one would even see them.
I don't recall reading about this before but I haven't read everything written about JFK. Are others aware where this was reported earlier, if indeed it has been?

And if it was, are there additional details? Where on the rocket were the initials placed and though described as "tiny," do the letters appear in any of the Apollo 5 mission photography?

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posted 11-11-2011 09:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for David Carey   Click Here to Email David Carey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's really quite poignant.

ilbasso
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posted 11-11-2011 09:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ilbasso   Click Here to Email ilbasso     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That would have been SA-5, which launched on January 29, 1964.

EDIT: JFK specifically referred to this mission to a speech in Texas the day before he was assassinated:

And in December, while I do not regard our mastery of space as anywhere near complete, while I recognize that there are still areas where we are behind — at least in one area, the size of the booster — this year I hope the United States will be ahead.
The launch was originally scheduled for December 1963 but was pushed to January. It was the first flight of a vehicle with two Saturn stages - the S-I and S-IV, precursors to the S-IB and S-IVB. The second stage of SA-5 became the heaviest object yet placed into Earth orbit. SA-5 is frequently referred to as the flight in which the US caught up to and surpassed the USSR in booster performance. Kennedy was well aware of this, and he felt there was a lot riding on this mission.

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posted 11-11-2011 09:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cozmosis22     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Never heard anything about that before. Until we see some corroboration it will remain a dramatic fabrication by creative writer. Mrs. Kennedy had a LOT of more important issues on her mind during the first nine weeks after losing her husband.

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posted 11-11-2011 10:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A bit more research turns up what was almost certainly Chris Matthews' source for the story (especially given the surrounding passages in the book): an interview Mrs. Kennedy gave to Teddy White for Life magazine.

NASA's Monographs of Aerospace History No. 37 (SP-2005-4537) titled, "Project Apollo: The Tough Decisions" by NASA Deputy Administrator Robert C. Seamans, Jr. describes the interview and includes the relevant passage:

Teddy White was a well-known historian and author of the book series "The Making of the President." Life magazine requested the interview, and Mrs. Kennedy agreed, provided that Teddy White was the interviewer. He was contacted late in the afternoon in Cambridge and was rushed to the Kennedy compound in Hyannis. Life was holding the presses for the article, and so directly after the interview, Teddy dictated the article in Mrs. Kennedy's presence. The article featured her vision of her husband's administration as Camelot and omitted her rather extensive discussion of the space program.

Here are excerpts from the transcript, which appeared first in the [Boston] Globe on 28 May 1995:

McNamara changed the name at the Cape [Canaveral]. Jack was so interested in the Saturn Booster. All I wanted was Jack's name signed on the side of the nose of the booster somehow where no one would even notice. McNamara said that wasn't dignified. But then he changed the name of the Cape itself so that everything that goes to the sky, goes from there.

But I can't see changing the name of something like Sixth Avenue [in New York City]. I don't want to go out on a Kennedy Driveway to a Kennedy Airport to visit a Kennedy School. And besides, I've got everything I want; I have that flame in Arlington National Cemetery and I have the Cape. I don't care what people say. I want that flame, and I wanted his name on just that one booster, the one that would put us ahead of the Russians... that's all I wanted.

I'm going to bring up my son. I want him to grow up to be a good boy. I have no better dream for him. I want John-John to be a fine young man. He's so interested in planes; maybe he'll be an astronaut or just plain John Kennedy fixing planes on the ground.

That confirms that it was Mrs. Kennedy's desire to have her late husband's initials written on SA-5, but as Seamans writes, her wish may not have been granted.
Those responsible for launching the Saturn SA-5, which he had observed and commented on during his inspection in November, wanted some way to express their gratitude for his interest and their grief for his loss. Rumors were rampant that special markings would be placed on the Saturn, which led to the implementation of special security provisions.
What Seamans writes doesn't completely rule out that the initials were written somewhere on the booster, but he also includes in the monograph the details of his meeting and subsequent correspondence with Mrs. Kennedy.

Seamans mentions gifting her with a "detailed engineering model of the actual Saturn launched on January 29th" that was "utilized by Dr. Wernher von Braun and the staff of the George C. Marshall Space Flight Center" as well as some "sturdy" rocket models for John to play with. No where in his letter, or Jacqueline Kennedy's reply, is mention made of her desired tribute, which makes it questionable that it occurred.

Henry Heatherbank
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posted 11-11-2011 11:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Henry Heatherbank     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can imagine there would have been some hesitation within NASA about granting that request, and giving it any form of publicity, in case the launch failed. That would have been a bad PR exercise involving a still-popular former President. Bad impression management.

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posted 11-12-2011 09:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for music_space   Click Here to Email music_space     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The former First Lady could also have wished for Apollo 5 to carry a meaningful article of memento; I presume that she was aware of previous flown mementos offered to the President in preceding months.

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posted 11-13-2011 06:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for moorouge   Click Here to Email moorouge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think this totally disagrees with Robert's posting, but this is from Apollo Chronology dated 28th November 1963 -
In honor of the late President John F. Kennedy, who was assassinated six days earlier, President Lyndon B. Johnson announced that LOC and Station No. 1 of the Atlantic Missile Range would be designated the John F. Kennedy Space Center (KSC), "...to honor his memory, and the future of the works he started..." Johnson said. On the following day, he signed an executive order making this change official. With the concurrence of Florida Governor Farris Bryant, he also changed the name of Cape Canaveral to Cape Kennedy.

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posted 11-13-2011 07:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ea757grrl   Click Here to Email ea757grrl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And this is how the passage read in Theodore White's article "For President Kennedy: An Epilogue," printed in the special "John F. Kennedy Memorial Edition" of "Life" published in late 1963:

As for the President's memorial, at first she remembered that, in every speech in their last days in Texas, he had spoken of how in December this nation would loft the largest rocket booster yet into the sky, making us first in space. So she had wanted something of his there when it went up - perhaps only his initials painted on a tiny corner of the great Saturn, where no one need even notice it. But now Americans will seek the moon from Cape Kennedy. The new name, born of her frail hope, came as a surprise.

This well-known essay by White is also the same essay often cited as the basis for the Kennedy years being called "Camelot," as it includes Mrs. Kennedy's recollections of how the President loved the line about "one brief shining moment."

Rusty B
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posted 12-12-2011 12:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rusty B   Click Here to Email Rusty B     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's the post I made about the subject in February 2011 with links to a news article in Google's newspaper archive (1995) and a link to a picture of JFK standing under the Saturn V flame bucket during his 1963 tour.

Dave Clow
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posted 12-16-2011 11:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave Clow   Click Here to Email Dave Clow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This controversy among government and NASA officials over signatures on equipment is interesting to me in the context of an article I have in the upcoming "Quest: the History of Spaceflight Quarterly," which discusses the (successful) conspiracy among Grumman LM employees at the Cape to place their signatures aboard LM-5.

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