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Robert Pearlman
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posted 01-07-2008 10:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Untold Apollo: How tennis shoes and tug-of-war toppled the mighty Saturn V
by Alan Lawrie and Robert Pearlman
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The year was 1966 and NASA was testing its first fully-assembled, 363-foot tall Saturn V moon rocket at its launch facilities in Florida. Despite the threat posed by a hurricane and a ruptured fuel line, the trials with the sky-scraping booster had gone well and it came time to separate the Saturn into its five stages in the voluminous Vertical Assembly Building that had been erected for that very purpose.

But NASA engineers had another idea: though the rocket had been analytically designed to be structurally stable, they saw the opportunity to gather some real world data about how the booster would react to vibrations imparted by wind and other outside forces.

So, they proposed to set the Saturn swaying. And what better way to do that than to exert force on the tower by having one group lie on their backs and push with their feet while another pulled a rope tied to the opposite side?

Really, what possibly could go wrong?


Mr Meek
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posted 01-07-2008 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mr Meek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh to be a fly on the wall for the conversation that led to that test. The methodology has an almost Mythbusters flavor to it. One wonders how much of it was serious science, and to what extent "Just screwing around" figured in.

Edit to add: It occurs to me that that the second stage got a similar ride as part of the SA-500-D stack. I daresay the boys at Marshall were a little more careful with the LES tower after this incident.

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posted 01-07-2008 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MarylandSpace   Click Here to Email MarylandSpace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Robert, I really enjoyed your writing of the story and the inclusion of the video.

Science and curiousity.

Garry

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posted 01-08-2008 02:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonpaws   Click Here to Email Moonpaws     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thinking about this story, I kind of get the imagery of Wiley the coyote pulling the rope, and the roadrunner pushing on the other side. The usual outcome is not good for Wiley. (boink)

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posted 01-08-2008 09:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jay Chladek   Click Here to Email Jay Chladek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is there a direct link to the video? I can't seem to play it in the article.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 01-08-2008 10:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The tennis shoe test video can be found here.

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posted 01-09-2008 07:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spacecraft films   Click Here to Email spacecraft films     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I noticed in looking at this event that the sway brace that connects from the LUT to the LES truss was not present on 500F, but did appear for the 501 (and later) vehicle. Must have been as a result of this test.

The sway brace was kept in place nearly full time until launch preps (and other times it interfered with checkout). I have a lot of footage of it being raised and lowered.

For confirmation, I wonder if a technical report might exist somewhere on the LUT detailing the need for the addition of the sway brace. My bet is there is some sort of reference to this event contained in documentation on the need for a sway brace. There is a report titled:

"Effectiveness of external dampers for attenuating launch vehicle oscillations."

on the NASA technical reports server, dated 1966, but it is not in pdf form.

Update: I found this report at AIAA, and while it makes no mention of the specific test, it is obviously created (in December 1966) to specifically look at Saturn V oscillations (due to ground wind) and concludes that a damper connected to the LUT may be a simple way to diminish the oscillations.

Mark

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posted 01-09-2008 04:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for E2M Lem Man   Click Here to Email E2M Lem Man     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Robert and everyone-

When you approached me about this when it was *found* on the net - I showed it to our retirees here in Downey that worked on Apollo - and they were in shock, as they thought it had to be an unauthorized event, as they had never heard of - or thought of doing such a thing to a full sized Saturn-5!!

Lets hope the next generation of engineers keeps this in mind for Orion/Ares!

J.M. Busby

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posted 01-10-2008 06:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by spacecraft films:
Update: I found this report at AIAA, and while it makes no mention of the specific test
An interesting lead none the less Mark, thanks.

It was my and Alan Lawrie's hope that by publishing the article on cS and in Spaceflight magazine that those were were present and/or aware of the test for all these years might step forward with more information (as James Moos did, and whose comments were added to the article). If enough new information can be found or sourced, then a follow-up article may be merited.

As we now know, per Moos, that the LES was not destroyed to bits, I wonder if the tower presently restored on the Saturn V 500-F/D in Huntsville is the one and the same that broke loose from its mounting ring as a result of this twang test.

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posted 01-10-2008 08:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mr Meek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
I wonder if the tower presently restored on the Saturn V 500-F/D in Huntsville is the one and the same that broke loose from its mounting ring as a result of this twang test.
Does the LES from the infamous test have any distinguishing features? Any placards with serial numbers, or a different design to some part of it?

A large dent in one side? (sarcasm)

According to AFGAS, MSFC/USSRC have 1 real CM, 2 BP's and 3 LES to go along with them. CM-010 was on SA-500-D when she was outside, but apparently BP-23 was brought over from MSFC to possibly be included.

If we can find some info about this historically intriguing LES, I'll be happy to scour the item on SA-500-D when I visit USSRC in early Feb.

One interesting note on AFGAS is that BP-27, which currently resides on top of the Saturn I at USSRC, is listed as being used for "dynamic tests". According to the Saturn Vehicle History page, though, this Saturn is made up of dynamic test stages. So it's likely that BP-27 has always been with that test article.

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posted 01-11-2008 10:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mr Meek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, some digging around at The Apollo Archive and AFGAS produced an interesting development in this little mystery.

I'm hosting reduced versions of the pictures, click on them to see the originals.

Here's a picture of SA-500-F on the pad in 1966:


(NASA via ApolloArchive.com)

Look at the vertical and horizontal 'ridges' on the conical base just above the LES motor's nozzles. That was a hallmark of any production LES. Even though this was a weight dummy, the casing appears to be the same design as the production models. The LES that was on SA-500-D outside the USSRC was smooth:


(AFGAS)

BP-23, which was recently moved from MSFC for possible inclusion on SA-500-D, does have a real LES. Of course, this was no sand-filled dummy since it was used for abort tests at White Sands, NM in Dec 1964 and June 1965. No idea when it was moved to MSFC, and if it was part of the dynamic tests in 1966-67. Here's a picture courtesy of AFGAS:

Then there's BP-27 atop the Saturn I. Unless someone can point me to the proper NASA documents, I think it's a safe assumption that BP-27 and its LES have been with MSFC. Since the only indication I could find of its use is "Dynamic tests", it's possible that it took a ride on the SA-500-D stack. Who knows? (non-rhetorical)

So, I think it's safe to assume that Marshall didn't test SA-500-D with the infamous LES. According to AFGAS, the Facilities Verification Vehicle that sat atop SA-500-F is on the SA-209 Saturn IB display at KSC.

But taking a look at the LES attached to this vehicle...


(AFGAS)

Hmm. Were the vertical details straps running from the end of the LES tower to attachment points on the conical structure? Furthermore, why does this LES have a radically different tower from SA-500-F or any other LES I could find?

Fascinating.

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posted 02-05-2008 08:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Choose2Go     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've just now found this thread and am pleased to see that the Field Guide could be a source of information (or controversy!). To be transparent, as accurate as I try to be, some of the labels are the result of study, sleuthing, question asking, and then making the best possible hypothesis. Most of the time I am proven correct, but when I am given contrary evidence I try to be quick to correct. I do know that my identification of the Saturn V CM on the Huntsville stack is not CM-010, and will correct that soon. This is a spare time hobby that I take seriously, but does have to take a back seat to my job. Please forward any ideas, corrections, or evidence you may find to help make the guide more accurate.

In this regard, however, I have not tried to identify specific LES towers. Or to separate production hardware from 'boilerplates' or even fabricated models. Perhaps this would be beneficial, but that information was not available as I began the Field Guide.

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posted 02-05-2008 10:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Choose2Go     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mr Meek:
One interesting note on AFGAS is that BP-27, which currently resides on top of the Saturn I at USSRC, is listed as being used for "dynamic tests".
According to JSC-03600, a March 1978 report on Apollo End Items, CM 101 was re-designated as CM 004A, then renamed BP-27 and is on display at the 'Alabama Space and Rocket Center'. A Thermal Test (CM 004A) MSFC consisted of the stack: CM BP-27/SM010/SLA 1/LES. There is a lot more to this document, which I will provide on the Field Guide at the bottom of the Apollo index: Apollo Hardware End Items.pdf

It is indeed a logic puzzle to sort out, and would appreciate others going over it and seeing that the Field Guide is reporting it accurately.

Mr Meek
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posted 02-06-2008 08:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mr Meek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nifty. There are some interesting discrepancies, though.

So, CM-010 = BP-27. According to this document, it's with SLA #1, which would've put it on the Saturn V outside. The Saturn I there obviously doesn't have an SLA. Of course, BP-27 could've been put on the Saturn I at some point.

BP-27, according to this document, has LES #16.

Interestingly, this document lists BP-23's utilization as "Display only."

And further down, there's mockup M-23, "CM, SM, and LES for Umbilical Tests (LES 015 at MSFC)." If the CSM/LES on SA-500-D was a mockup, it sounds like it was this one.

Surely someone at USSRC or MSFC would know what is what.

(It's neat to read the OV info on page 5)

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