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Lunar Module 5
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posted 08-16-2006 04:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lunar Module 5   Click Here to Email Lunar Module 5     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Recently I picked up a copy of "Into Orbit: The Seven Astronauts" (Time Inc., 1962) and in Scott Carpenter's chapter about the Mercury-Atlas 7 flight he states:
John reported when his retros fired that he felt as if he was going back to Hawaii. I did not fee the same sensation at all. The firing was comparatively gentle. This loss of thrust accounted for another 60 miles of the overshoot.
First time I have read of a "loss of thrust" from the retros. Was there a specific problem with his retro pack?

On edit: Having further thought about this, could it be that because the yaw of the spacecraft wasn't completely nominal that this caused the retros to be less efficient, i.e. thrusting at the wrong angle?

KC Stoever
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posted 08-16-2006 10:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KC Stoever   Click Here to Email KC Stoever     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good question. Post-flight analysis found that under-thrusting retrorockets (a malfunction) contributed 60 miles to the total overshoot. The thrusters were ~supposed~ to fire automatically but did not (another malfunction, IIRC). MSC punched the retrobutton himself a second after the second hand passed the mark. Three seconds passed until the retrorockets fired.

This piled on another 15 miles to the overshoot. Scott reported at the time that he was expecting a "big boot" like that reported by JHG. MSC's voice report suggests he was sensing slightly underthrusting retrorockets. Postflight analysis, again, confirmed this subjective impression.

My sense about yaw angle and its effect on the thrusters is that, nope, there's no relationship between yaw and sensations of thrust. You could be yaw at 0 degrees or yaw at 60 degrees. Neither angle would affect an astronaut's subjective sensation of thrust. But both angles affect your eventual landing site, based on the amount of thrust produced by the retrorockets.

Finally, want reiterate that a third "mission critical" malfunction (On edit: there were three malfunctions, but only one of them — the intermittently malfunctioning pitch horizon scanner — was described in NASA postflight analysis as "mission critical." That is to say, MA-7 had only one grave, or mission critical, malfunction, which without an astronaut's intervention would have imperiled the mission) of the ASCS — autopilot — introduced the error in yaw at retrofire. And the error in yaw produced 175 miles to the overshoot.

For anyone interested in technical discussions of the MA-7 reentry, see pages 284-90 in "For Spacious Skies."

mjanovec
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posted 08-16-2006 10:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I also think it's hard to compare the two sensations (the retro fire on both missions) because it was different people who were experiencing them.

Glenn may have been initially surprised by the kick of the retro rockets and then reported it as such. Once somebody tells you "wow, that was something" and then you are next to experience it, you set yourself up for something big. Sometimes, the expectation is bigger than the actual event.

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posted 08-18-2006 03:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lunar Module 5   Click Here to Email Lunar Module 5     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the replies, that has cleared that one up for me!

I have listened to the voice tapes of Scott's re-entry many times. Anyone who can crack a joke Jose Jimenez style at that moment, is the personification of cool in my book!

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