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Topic: Apollo 1 astronauts' authentic autopens?
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Ianhetho
Member Posts: 266
From: Bogangar NSW Australia
Registered: May 2018
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posted 05-20-2022 04:19 AM
   
I bid for these advertised as autopens, now I have them I'm not so sure.They don't match well to the known patterns. I doubt they are real autographs, either. Have I bought fake fakes (the ultimate looser)? Thoughts please?  |
Ken Havekotte
Member Posts: 3441
From: Merritt Island, Florida, Brevard
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 05-20-2022 12:16 PM
That's weird! I would say forged signatures and certainly not autopen patterns. It looks like someone tried to replicate AP-autographs. Very strange and a first that I have seen in more than half-a-century collecting and working with astronaut signatures. |
SpaceAholic
Member Posts: 5076
From: Sierra Vista, Arizona
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 05-20-2022 12:50 PM
Very sad world indeed if it turns out some unscrupulous seller were trying to fraudulently pass original crew autographs as authentic auto-pens. |
Jonnyed
Member Posts: 538
From: Dumfries, VA, USA
Registered: Aug 2014
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posted 05-21-2022 10:21 AM
Wouldn't their auto-pen signature templates have been destroyed after the terrible events of Apollo 1?I am not an expert but assuming that the templates were destroyed, the signatures would have to be over 55 years old if authentic and so the blue ink would have faded significantly — so these signatures being discussed look way too fresh. |
Ken Havekotte
Member Posts: 3441
From: Merritt Island, Florida, Brevard
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 05-21-2022 10:36 AM
Yes, the templates would have no longer existed and the signatures are definitely not crew hand-signed nor authentic in the first place, is my take on it. |
Ianhetho
Member Posts: 266
From: Bogangar NSW Australia
Registered: May 2018
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posted 05-21-2022 01:57 PM
In my defense, the photo on eBay was a little dark with all three cards on the same immage. At a glance they looked like autopen patterns, clearly I should have looked closer.The seller has been on eBay for years selling space related covers signed and unsigned, authentic and autopen. Also photos, cards, stamps. This seller sells hundreds of items a month. I have requested a refund. |
Ianhetho
Member Posts: 266
From: Bogangar NSW Australia
Registered: May 2018
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posted 05-25-2022 03:11 PM
Update: A full refund has been received, taxes and shipping included.I will now destroy them. |
Ken Havekotte
Member Posts: 3441
From: Merritt Island, Florida, Brevard
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 05-25-2022 03:33 PM
Very good to know this seems to be a honest and respectful seller. |
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