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Mike_The_First
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posted 09-26-2014 09:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike_The_First   Click Here to Email Mike_The_First     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How do you handle self-addressed stamped envelopes (SASE) for books that you send for signing — prepaid labels, stamps?

Advice is much appreciated.

Hart Sastrowardoyo
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posted 09-26-2014 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hart Sastrowardoyo   Click Here to Email Hart Sastrowardoyo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's what I do.

Get a medium Priority Mail "shirt" box (the long, flat rectangular one.) Use packaging tape to seal one end of the box. Postage online will be $11 and change (in the US.) Print out a return postage-paid label (that is, from the astronaut to you) and affix to box.

Put book and cushioning inside box. Also enclose a special Sharpie if need be. I also put in a roll of packaging tape (dollar store variety works well, or tape which I've almost used the roll.)

Lightly tape the other end shut with a few pieces of Scotch tape. On top of the return label, lightly tape with Scotch tape an envelope addressed to the person with a letter of request inside. On the outside of the envelope, also write "Open box here ----->" with the arrow pointing to which end the box should be opened.

One can use the back of gift wrap for this, but it's better to not go cheap and use brown kraft paper to wrap the box. Address it as normal. Bring to Post Office.

This way, the astronaut can rip off the kraft paper. S/he sees a letter addressed to them, opens it and reads the instructions. They then open the box on the appropriate end, take out the book, sign it, place it back in the box and seal it with the tape you so thoughtfully provided.

Now all they have to do is either drop it off at the PO since the postage is already paid (no waiting in line! Just leave it on the counter or place it in one of those bins) or have the carrier pick it up.

You make it easy and simple for them, you increase your chance of a success.

Mike_The_First
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posted 09-26-2014 10:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike_The_First   Click Here to Email Mike_The_First     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How do you print a postage paid return label from the USPS that's neither date/ZIP sensitive?

Hart Sastrowardoyo
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posted 09-26-2014 10:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hart Sastrowardoyo   Click Here to Email Hart Sastrowardoyo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Note too that sending any kind of mail as a package automatically generates a tracking number (I don't pay extra for Delivery Confirmation.) Not only can you keep track of it on its return, but I've "yelled" by e-mail at a few head honchos at the postal distribution center when the package doesn't get there when it should. Granted, mail can take an extra day or so, but there's no reason why a package should stop being scanned.

DC heads don't like when things don't get delivered. They don't like being bothered. Greenville couldn't explain why my package was in limbo for six days, and sent it back to me Express Mail no charge since the event was over.

Hart Sastrowardoyo
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posted 09-26-2014 11:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hart Sastrowardoyo   Click Here to Email Hart Sastrowardoyo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mike_The_First:
How do you print a postage paid return label from the USPS that's neither date/ZIP sensitive?

I never had this problem. The return address used to be mine, with checking off "mailing from a different zip code," but now I just put the person's return address since I know the postage will be good (and after someone said the PO doesn't deliver mail where the sending address is different than the one who is actually mailing the package, which is bunk.)

I put the furthest date as possible as the sending date - which may be only a week away. But I've never had issues with the PO saying to me, the label says it would be mailed on this date and here it is two weeks later. I think the longest between sending date and actually being mailed for me was almost a month.

SpaceyInMN
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posted 09-26-2014 11:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceyInMN   Click Here to Email SpaceyInMN     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I used the advice that Hart gives when mailing Gene Cernan's book, and it worked like a charm. (I don't recall if he gave the advice at the time, or if someone else did, but it was essentially the same advice). The P.O. didn't care that I estimated a return shipping date on the label I printed, nor that I used my own address as both the sender and recipient address. Best of luck!

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posted 09-26-2014 11:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MarylandSpace   Click Here to Email MarylandSpace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Excellent advice Hart.

Hart Sastrowardoyo
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posted 09-26-2014 01:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hart Sastrowardoyo   Click Here to Email Hart Sastrowardoyo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks! I have successfully mailed out books (or at least, THE book) using this way a number of times. A little bit of panic until I see that the package has arrived, then a little more panic untiul I see the package has been scanned and is on its way back to me, then anticipation as the delivery date approaches. And this is supposed to be a realaxing hobby.

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posted 09-28-2014 02:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike_The_First   Click Here to Email Mike_The_First     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Hart Sastrowardoyo:
But I've never had issues with the PO saying to me, the label says it would be mailed on this date and here it is two weeks later.
I've heard stories of the PO cracking down on dates and ZIPs, hence my worry.

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posted 10-02-2014 09:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dragon001     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Hart Sastrowardoyo:
(and after someone said the PO doesn't deliver mail where the sending address is different than the one who is actually mailing the package, which is bunk.)

Sending does not need to match sender. I've yet to not get something back. Books to photo tubes - I use my work address as return from the astronaut.

I did not have an issue with my John Glenn items. I estimated about 2 months. The return-labeled package sat at the Glenn School for 6-months before it was shipped back signed by the Senator. No problems with return.

Hart Sastrowardoyo
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posted 10-02-2014 10:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hart Sastrowardoyo   Click Here to Email Hart Sastrowardoyo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I know this. In the case of my book, where I expect to get it back in at most two weeks, though, I have no problem putting the return address of the sender as that, just so I don't run into that again.

With photos, I always put my address as the sending address because it may take a long time (months) for the SASE to be used. I know postage due mail usually is paid by the receiver (and forever stamps minimize if not eliminate postage due mail), but on the off chance that mail is returned to the sender for insufficient postage it'll still be sent to me.

And interestingly, I've had only two instances of mail actually handled by a mail clerk, at least that I know of. A SASE used with Meir had a tracking sticker on it, and a SASE used by Helms had additional postage on it (postage sticker), although I almost always overpay postage - two airmails and a first-class stamp. The cardboard stiffener may have been a tipping point.

Hart Sastrowardoyo
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posted 10-02-2014 10:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hart Sastrowardoyo   Click Here to Email Hart Sastrowardoyo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mike_The_First:
I've heard stories of the PO cracking down on dates and ZIPs, hence my worry.

Again, if you're checking off "mailing from a different zip code" if you're not using the person's return address but yours as the sending address, it shouldn't be a problem. Granted, what I'm about to say involves first-class mail rather than packages, but I've never had a problem with mailing an envelope with my return address in NJ at a NY mailbox - or even not having a return address at all.

The date is just when the computer is alerted to expect a package. That's all, as far as I know. In fact, take a look at 9405903699300258453983. You'll see that the "shipping date" I put that didn't affect it's mailing.

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posted 10-05-2014 09:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike_The_First   Click Here to Email Mike_The_First     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For budget reasons, I've opted to send using Priority Mail Flat Rate Padded Envelopes with Click n Ship labels.

In cases where I have two books to send, I've found that both can fit (though not necessarily comfortably). Has anyone had an issue with the PO in that regard?

I really don't have the budget to send a box or anything but flat rate.

I suppose I can send two Media Mail SASEs (one for each book), but that seems like it carries too much room for error.

The only thing I can find on the PO website regarding the above question is that the package must close within the normal folds (it does) and a weight limit of 70 pounds (which I think would be impossible for the Padded Envelope given that first condition), but I thought I'd see if there was any contention from the group.

Hart Sastrowardoyo
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posted 10-06-2014 11:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hart Sastrowardoyo   Click Here to Email Hart Sastrowardoyo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Believe me, I know all about budgets and money. But while the online return postage on a Priority Mail medium-sized ("shirt") flat-rate box was $11 and change, almost $12, sending the same box wrapped in kraft paper Priority Mail was about $21 (NJ-Washington State) - in other words, not too much more. I always figured sending postage would be at least $14-15, depending on destination.

If there are some concerns with a book being banged around, I ship my book in a padded mailer surrounded by newspaper (less problematic than Styrofoam peanuts, and at least newspaper can go in the recycling can) before being placed in the box. One person was nice enough to bubble wrap my book after placing it in the padded envelope, but I don't do that because I want to make it easier for the person on the receiving end.

My only contention with using padded envelopes is that you can't put a roll of packaging tape inside (I don't think.) I don't trust the self sealing adhesive if it's a book, don't want them to hunt for a stapler to close the bag.

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posted 10-08-2014 02:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike_The_First   Click Here to Email Mike_The_First     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hart Sastrowardoyo:
I don't trust the self sealing adhesive if it's a book, don't want them to hunt for a stapler to close the bag.
That adhesive is actually quite strong on the flat rate padded envelopes I have. I'm yet to have an issue (I ship old textbooks in them from Amazon sales).

Thanks for the help (and verification that stale ship dates will be okay). The PO customer service agents were incompetent when it came to my questions.

I've got a beautiful 1st/1st copy of "Flight" going out to Chris Kraft tomorrow, an inbound copy of "Failure..." that I bought on Amazon that's going out to Gene Kranz as soon as I receive and inspect it, and a copy of John Glenn's memoir and a BCE of "We Seven" that I want to send to the Senator as soon as I get an okay from Kathy (I emailed her Sunday).

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posted 10-23-2014 03:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike_The_First   Click Here to Email Mike_The_First     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I mailed that book to Chris Kraft a couple weeks ago with the postage paid, addressed envelope. It showed as delivered two days later. At what point do I start panicking about there being no movement on the tracking number on the return envelope?

The letter included was on my personal letterhead with email and phone number, and I haven't heard anything about any issues, but a lot of others seem to have faster successes.

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posted 10-23-2014 09:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fredtrav   Click Here to Email fredtrav     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know about Mr. Kraft's signing habits, but sometimes it can take months before requests can be returned. I sent a book off to an astronaut in April and it has not been returned yet, so don't panic it will (hopefully) returned.

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General rule of thumb: any time you send anything to someone who is not actively soliciting mail, you should consider it as never coming back. Then, if and when it is returned, you'll be pleasantly surprised and all panic is averted.

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posted 10-23-2014 01:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hart Sastrowardoyo   Click Here to Email Hart Sastrowardoyo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not that it will alleviate stuff not being returned, but I usually drop them a letter first asking if I can send them an item if it's something I'm quite fond of. That way, they know what's coming and hopefully return it as well.

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posted 10-23-2014 06:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike_The_First   Click Here to Email Mike_The_First     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I emailed him a few days before I sent it and he gave me the go ahead.

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posted 10-24-2014 12:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lou Chinal   Click Here to Email Lou Chinal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Buzz personally told me to just include a self addressed stamped envelope. Hey, I look at it as a gift.

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posted 10-30-2014 03:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike_The_First   Click Here to Email Mike_The_First     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Mike_The_First:
I emailed him a few days before I sent it and he gave me the go ahead.

Would it be rude to send a follow up email to verify that it arrived when USPS said it did?

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posted 10-30-2014 06:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike_The_First   Click Here to Email Mike_The_First     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nevermind, got it today.

Very nicely signed and inscribed in black Sharpie (oddly enough on the dedication page — I had a mini-freak out at first because I couldn't find it...).

Hart Sastrowardoyo
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posted 10-30-2014 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hart Sastrowardoyo   Click Here to Email Hart Sastrowardoyo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Heh! I had that happen to me a few times - Gemar signing in the back where his mission was, Guidoni signing twice (!) Always a mild "Where the heck is it, flip flip flip" if it's not readily evident.

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posted 10-30-2014 01:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike_The_First   Click Here to Email Mike_The_First     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Every copy of this one that I've seen has been signed on the half-title, so that's what prompted the panic.

I'm also accustomed to checking the FFEP, half title, and title (in reverse order). In this case, I went through both twice before I finally found it.

I don't know why I expected it to show up the second time I looked, but I'm also known to open my fridge hoping food appeared in the five seconds since I last checked.

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