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Topic: Outstanding Astronaut Signed Collection on eBay
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Bob M
Member Posts: 1745
From: Atlanta-area, GA USA
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 06-03-2003 02:48 PM
   
On eBay now is a lot (#2177614155) with a large group of astronaut signed photos with several shown. The lot comes from Venezuela, of all places, and has bids reaching $2,550 with several days to go. Fortunately it hasn't reached its reserve, so nobody's hurt, yet. Of the six lots shown, five either have an autopen or very questionable signatures, & only one, a GT-12, with all authentic (early Lovell & Aldrin) signatures. The Apollo 11 has probable Armstrong & Aldrin fakes; Apollo 8 a terrible Anders scribble; Apollo 10 a Stafford autopen; Apollo 15 a possible Scott fake; and GT-4 a probable Ed White fake. This is a lot to avoid, but it already has two bids. Bob Mc. |
Rob Sumowski
Member Posts: 466
From: Macon, Georgia
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 06-03-2003 04:14 PM
Hi Bob:I agree completely. We've heard from this fellow before. Also, take a look at the form of payment- cashier's check or money order...to South America? Personally, I wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot pole. Rob |
apollo11lem5@aol.com
unregistered
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posted 06-03-2003 05:14 PM
Hello All....I agree with Bob and Rob both....this is to be avoided at all cost !!! It looks like the same clown from Argentina that occasionally does this is now doing business in Venezuela. I would NEVER dispatch a money order or cashiers check to either of those countries for Ebay fakes !! We have plenty of Ebay forgers right here in the USA fighting for our domestic forgery dollars !!LOL
Seriously....this seller is BAD NEWS without a doubt.....AVOID !!! Donald Brady[This message has been edited by apollo11lem5@aol.com (edited June 03, 2003).] |
Bob M
Member Posts: 1745
From: Atlanta-area, GA USA
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 06-06-2003 12:10 PM
Well, if no one else bids on eBay lot# 2177614155, then bidder "davelevacy" is the proud owner of all those fake & questionable autographs. The reserve has been reached & he's paying $3,501 for what we believe is a pile of junk. And that's just what we can see. Who knows what other "goodies" are also included in the large lot? Sad. Bob Mc. |
Jake
Member Posts: 464
From: Issaquah, WA U.S.A.
Registered: Jun 2002
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posted 06-06-2003 02:44 PM
I am always dumbfounded when people bid on these kinds of things on ebay...(!) Sort of takes away from a collection if you have no idea if numerous items are questionable..... ------------------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) |
Rob Sumowski
Member Posts: 466
From: Macon, Georgia
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 06-07-2003 02:11 PM
Hi there:I just contacted davelevacy and invited him to check out collectspace.com. I know there is nothing we can do now to help him regarding his bids on questionable items in the past. Still, he has been actively bidding on many space auctions, and I felt that the resources on this site may be able to help educate and guide him (should he express interest) in the event that he ever bids on questionable items in the future. Instead of standing by and watching him repeatedly get scorched, I felt like this was the right thing to do. Best-
Rob |
mensax
Member Posts: 861
From: Virginia
Registered: Apr 2002
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posted 06-07-2003 04:56 PM
I was just about to do the same thing. I do know that I will always grateful to finding out about this site and have recommended it to several others since.Noah |
silex
Member Posts: 45
From: Australia
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 06-07-2003 06:41 PM
Hi contacted him 2 days ago and warned him about the auction and he hasn't replied to my Email yet. |
apollo11lem5@aol.com
unregistered
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posted 06-10-2003 02:10 AM
I too sent him a recommendation to check out CollectSpace etc. While he did not reply to my email...He did retract his bid on this group of fakes. The lot still sold to some other victim....Donald[This message has been edited by apollo11lem5@aol.com (edited June 10, 2003).] [This message has been edited by apollo11lem5@aol.com (edited June 10, 2003).] |
silex
Member Posts: 45
From: Australia
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 06-10-2003 05:41 AM
The winner, Keeper1, has contacted me asking what options they have to get out of paying and avoid a negative feedback and official warning from E-bay too.
Any ideas on real good excuses or what to do??Just one other thing, If we are inviting these people to join this site, or use it as a reference, could we avoid calling them suckers please. [This message has been edited by silex (edited June 10, 2003).] |
Joe Davies
Member Posts: 258
From: UK
Registered: Jun 2000
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posted 06-10-2003 10:30 AM
The buyer enters into a contract to purchase when they bid and the only ways out are to renege and risk neg feedback and Ebay's wrath, or to politely ask the seller if they can be excused from purchase, or to pursue it through Ebay and or any legal channels open. If you bid, and you bid bad you have to take it on the chin like an adult.
If you have been screwed then stand up and be counted and refuse to pay and accept the risks of the neg feedback.I feel sympathy for anyone who has been taken in any online auction, but it really is a case that when one steps through the portal of an auction, ANY auction, one needs to adopt a posture of brain in gear. Research first, bid second = happiness.
Bid first, research second - misery.
... and remember research isn't just about the items but the seller also. |
Rob Sumowski
Member Posts: 466
From: Macon, Georgia
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 06-10-2003 11:38 AM
Hi there:Look at all the negative feedbacks that many, many sellers and buyers on Ebay carry regularly and still operate without Ebay's interference. I have never welched on an auction, but in this case, I'd take the one, single negative feedback and the hand slap "warning" by Ebay rather than surrender 3500. on principle for what I learned were blatantly questionable items. Why? This item is not fully genuine as advertised. My two cents... Rob |
Leon Ford
Member Posts: 309
From: Shreveport, LA, United States
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 06-10-2003 08:14 PM
Does anyone know if the buyer did any sort of research BEFORE he bid on the collection?I think you can only blame the seller for so much. Doesn't the buyer have some responsibility? Leon |
Rob Sumowski
Member Posts: 466
From: Macon, Georgia
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 06-10-2003 09:35 PM
Hi Leon:I agree about the importance of buyers' responsibilty. (Personally, I can't fathom putting up that much cash without familiarizing myself with the item on which I'm bidding.) But some folks obviously do so. Unwise? Sure. But then again, every collector I know (me included) somewhere down the line has bought an autopen or forgery, especially when first beginning the hobby. That said, we know from our experience in this hobby that this particular item simply was not genuine as advertised. Therefore, intentionally or not on the part of the seller, the buyer was misled. Hopefully, for his sake, now he knows better. Don't get me wrong- if the item was genuine or was openly advertised as possibly containing autopens- I'd agree he would have had prior knowledge of this possibility and should pay up, as it would have been a square deal. He's guilty of uneducated bidding, but I feel he still would have a logical and grounded argument in this case because the item simply is not genuine as was advertised. Rob |
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