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Spacepsycho
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posted 07-29-2011 12:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spacepsycho   Click Here to Email Spacepsycho     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
With the Apollo 17 40th anniversary coming up in 2012 (provided the world doesn't come to an end), I'm thinking of making a tribute lucite and would greatly appreciate your input.

A couple of years ago Kim Poor sold Ron Evans 32oz drink bag and straw that was carried inside his A7LB during the mission and on his famous spacewalk to recover the film canisters from the service module. This inflight drink bag was kept by Ron's wife in a bank deposit box for 30+ years. When it was removed to sell, the plastic bag deteriorated into small chips, leaving the 8" velcro strap, straw, rubber tubing and label intact.

Since the drink bag is already broken down into small pieces and I'm not a fan of cutting up intact artifacts, I would like to make 100-200 Apollo 17 lucites with pieces of this flown drink bag. Obviously the cost to produce these will be a big factor how many are made and what the display will look like.

I love Ken Havekotte's Apollo 17 kapton foil cylinder shaped lucites with the 45 degree slant top and the mission logo on the bottom, as well as the famous pyramid with Apollo 17 material embedded. While those shapes make awesome displays, I'd like to create something unique, that hasn't been done before.

One idea I had was to do a 1" thick by 5-6" long, CSM-shaped lucite with the mission logo and a few of these chips embedded in it. Another idea was to use the well known photo of Ron during his spacewalk embedded in the lucite with a few chips and a small mission logo in the engine bell. On the back of the display would be a small description of the bag w/provenance from Novaspace and the number of the individual piece in the edition.

The tombstone or hockey puck shaped lucites have little interest to me, I really would like to make something special and a fitting tribute to the last lunar mission.

Do you think there would be much interest in a lucite like this or is it too obscure of a piece to be considered desirable?

Since this lucite would be bought by the members of cS, I'd like your input so if I make this piece, it's something that you would want for your collection.

You can see a photo of the item here. Thanks for your help.

garymilgrom
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posted 07-29-2011 12:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for garymilgrom   Click Here to Email garymilgrom     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think casting lucite in the shape of an Apollo CSM, including an SPS engine bell will be much too expensive. This is why simpler forms are usually associated with these mementos.

Perhaps you could cast a sphere and have a crater-texture embedded on it. This "moon shaped lucite" might be unique and less expensive than what you are proposing. You should contact some companies that make these items to help you forecast the cost, and therefore the market for these. Good luck!

stsmithva
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posted 07-29-2011 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stsmithva   Click Here to Email stsmithva     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ray, your idea to make commemoratives out of those chips is a good one - they are already dozens of individual pieces, and they need to be embedded in something so they don't just disintegrate further.

I'll be interested to see if other members can suggest a specific company that make good-quality lucites, with both a 3-D item and a small photograph. I did some research about a year ago, as I would like to make about 12 lucites of an item of mine that is in danger of deteriorating. Hopefully someone will be able to suggest a company that can do this for a little less than the several I contacted.

My recommendation for your project would be (although others with more experience making these might disagree for some reason) to put a dark background, like an Apollo 17 with lots of black sky, behind the chip. They are going to be so irregular and translucent that without a dark background, it seems to me, they won't stand out much.

MrSpace86
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posted 07-29-2011 05:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MrSpace86   Click Here to Email MrSpace86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I disagree. The most recent item from the ASF Acrylic Series that has the Parazynski item looks great without the background. For it to be truly unique and attractive, you need to let the item "float" in the lucite by itself. Look at the Cosmosphere's LB7 acrylics and the ASF acrylics.

As for design, I would say to go for the Apollo Command Module "cone" design. There have been lucites like this in the past but I think it would be nice to bring it back. An Apollo 17 logo would serve as the bottom and on the reverse of the logo it would bear what the item is and such. A 3in to 4in diameter circle would make it fit perfectly with all other acrylics. I saw the photo of the "chips" and I suggest putting more than just one "chip" in each lucite; the ASF's ASTP acrylic had "crumbs" of the heatshield and I still think they could have added a few more "crumbs" to really make it one of the best acrylics out there.

Let's keep the ideas flowing! I think with everyone's input and ideas we can have a nice lucite designed

EDIT: I couldn't resist so I drew it out so it can make more sense:

328KF
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posted 07-29-2011 07:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 328KF   Click Here to Email 328KF     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A great idea and of course, you have every right to pursue this yourself and recoup some of your investment. With that said, I might suggest that you contact the aforementioned ASF folks about possibly donating these to their Space Artifact Series and let them run with it.

This way, you are saved the hassle and expense of getting the acrylics made yourself, and of course, the proceeds go to the great cause of helping aspiring STEM students achieve their educational goals.

Either way you choose to proceed, I would definitely be interested in the final product. Good luck!

Spacepsycho
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posted 07-30-2011 08:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spacepsycho   Click Here to Email Spacepsycho     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by 328KF:
With that said, I might suggest that you contact the aforementioned ASF folks about possibly donating these to their Space Artifact Series and let them run with it.
I'm not in a position to donate this material. I give away a dozens of flown pieces to kids every year when I do school presentations, but this is something special.
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Originally posted by garymilgrom:
Perhaps you could cast a sphere and have a crater-texture embedded on it.
I like your idea, but the textured sphere shape would be too difficult and expensive to replicate.
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Originally posted by MrSpace86:
As for design, I would say to go for the Apollo Command Module "cone" design.
I love your idea, I have four vintage resins with flown pieces embedded in them like you're describing. The only difference is all of the older ones have a rounded bottom like the heatshield is on it, where the one you drew has a flat bottom. It certainly would be easier to produce with a flat bottom and I agree there needs to be a few chips in each display.

I was thinking of making a screw together clear baseball card size display like Jerry makes, but being a fan of the vintage CM shaped resins, I think that's the route I'll go. The other issue is I don't want someone to remove pieces to then make up their own displays.

Should I have the mission logo on one side with a photo of Ron during his spacewalk or should I have a smaller version of the Novaspace COA?

I sent emails to the Kansas Cosmosphere and the ASF to ask who did their displays and hopefully they'll respond.

Rizz
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posted 07-30-2011 09:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rizz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great idea Ray, how about embedding a tiny battery operated LED, maybe a 'black-light' to create a glowing effect to the floating material when displayed. It obviously doesn't have to be on all the time, but when you have friends over and showcasing your wears, it might look very cool.

It'd be different for sure, just a thought.

Spacepsycho
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posted 07-30-2011 10:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spacepsycho   Click Here to Email Spacepsycho     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rizz, wow, I love that idea, but I don't think it's feasible. If it was made of resin, the light could be embedded, but lucite is to difficult to work with, or so I've heard.

MrSpace86
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posted 07-30-2011 10:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MrSpace86   Click Here to Email MrSpace86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for your comments. I agree with you that it needs to be flat (in order to place pegs if preferred by the collector) and for it to NOT be a screwdown deal like Jerry's.

For the logo, I think you should do the Apollo 17 mission patch on one side and a simple explanation (I guess what is written on the Novaspace COA) on the other side.

I would mimic what was done with the Cernan Corp Apollo 17 Kapton Foil acrylic (if you need pics, let me know and I'll post them). It also mimics what was done with the ASF acrylics. I wouldn't put a mission photo; the mission logo would help the acrylic "blend in" with existing acrylics in people's collections.

Since you have the Novaspace COA, I would create your own COA that has a photo of your Novaspace COA in it along with other info.

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