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Topic: FS: Apollo 11 surface flown film (Underwood)
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robertdcoyle
New Member Posts: 6
From: Maryland Heights, MO
Registered: Jul 2019
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posted 06-03-2021 01:24 PM
   
I am selling my Apollo 11 lunar surface flown film certified by NASA technologist Richard Underwood. The presentation is in great condition and contains a clear piece of leader film that was a part of Magazine 39/Q. This piece of film traveled in the Apollo 11 command module and then lunar module to the surface of the Moon.Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin took pictures on Magazine 39/Q inside the lunar module prior to and after the historic moonwalk. They used both the 70mm Hasselblad Intra Vehicular (IVA) camera and Neil Armstrong’s Extra Vehicular (EVA) camera with Magazine 39/Q. The presentation is signed and certified by Richard Underwood, one of the first NASA technicians to view the original film when astronaut crews returned to Earth. There is a great NASA Oral History interview with Underwood that I recommend to anyone interested. Feel free to message me with any questions! I am asking $2,500 OBO for the framed presentation. 16x20 inches.  
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Ken Havekotte
Member Posts: 3243
From: Merritt Island, Florida, Brevard
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 06-03-2021 01:40 PM
Most interesting Robert, however, I was under the impression that the cut-film clips from the Underwood 70mm Hasselblad magazine film used on the COAs came from Film Roll 40.Is 39/Q the same roll as 40? Also, I've always thought that Magazine 40, used on the certificates from what I was told, was the exact same camera of film that Armstrong had on his spacesuit chest with all of those iconic images of Aldrin on the moon with the flag, famous visor shot, etc. |
robertdcoyle
New Member Posts: 6
From: Maryland Heights, MO
Registered: Jul 2019
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posted 06-03-2021 01:51 PM
Ken, thanks for your reply! The Underwood presentations were from a black and white film roll where 107 photos were taken, and the film used was Panatomic-X Type 3400. This all reflects Magazine 39/Q. Magazine 40/S contained 129 color images. Also, according to the Apollo 11 Flight Journal, magazines were swapped out many times from various cameras, and often out of order from the Flight Plan. I do agree that magazine 40/S was used when on the external moonwalk. Would you have a reference where Magazine 40/S was used in the Richard Underwood presentations? |
Ken Havekotte
Member Posts: 3243
From: Merritt Island, Florida, Brevard
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 06-03-2021 02:22 PM
I have a letter from Underwood in 1985 indicating that Magazine 40 had been used for the film certificates and was told long ago that the iconic photo images of Aldrin on the moon with the flag, famous visor shot, etc. came from this same film roll.But with only 107 photos developed by Magazine 39/Q, however, it would appear that Roll 40/S is not the same magazine in reference to. The letter I have from Underwood is not completely clear, though, with such an assumption, even though "Magazine 40" had been mentioned by Dick in the same letter indicating, from what I have believed in for decades now, that it had been Roll #40 used on the certs(?). Thanks Robert in helping to clear this up for me. |
robertdcoyle
New Member Posts: 6
From: Maryland Heights, MO
Registered: Jul 2019
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posted 06-03-2021 02:51 PM
Ken, the Underwood presentation states "107 photographs were taken on this film roll while on the surface of the moon." Also, in an older Richard Underwood presentation for the clear film, Underwood states the film type as Panatomic-X Type 3400. Magazine 39/Q:- 107 photos taken on surface (inside lunar module only looking out windows)
- Film type Panatomic-X Type 3400
Magazine 40/S:
- 125 photos taken on surface
- Film type Ektachrome EF SO168
Here is the flight journal sequence for Magazine 39/Q. Both IVA and EVA cameras were used inside the lunar module.I would be interested to see the Underwood letter if possible.  
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hbw60
Member Posts: 174
From:
Registered: Aug 2018
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posted 06-04-2021 12:56 AM
Because there are multiple variations of the certificates for these fragments, is it possible that some of them came from 39/Q, while others came from 40/S?Over time, the fragments got smaller and smaller. Richard's original presentations contained a complete end-to-end strip of film, on small paper cards. The next round had much smaller fragments, with different text on the cards. And then later presentations had tiny fragments, on a fancy COA presentation. So maybe Richard started out using very large fragments from Magazine 40, quickly using up all of the film from it. And then after running out so quickly, he decided to use much smaller pieces from Magazine 39, in order to provide more certificates. |
robertdcoyle
New Member Posts: 6
From: Maryland Heights, MO
Registered: Jul 2019
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posted 06-04-2021 04:14 AM
Thank you for your message! I do agree that various film magazines could have been used to create these presentations as others have black film pieces instead of clear. I can really only give an opinion on the presentation I have. The only key information on my presentation description is that 107 photos were taken on the surface of the Moon. Attached is the breakdown of Apollo 11 magazines and how many images were taken on each. I can narrow my presentation piece down to Magazine R or Magazine Q. Both of these magazines had 107 images taken on the surface. The only difference is Magazine R also had 16 orbital images taken prior to landing. Since the presentation omits any information on orbital images taken, I believe that the piece I have is from Magazine Q. I have also researched as many Richard Underwood presentations as I could find online and only Panatomic-X Type 3400 film is mentioned in the descriptions for the old presentations with clear film. Magazine R used Ektachrome EF SO168. I would be curious if anyone has any background information on my newer, larger Underwood presentation and how it relates to the older, smaller index card size ones. I understand like anything in this hobby, it is like piecing history together and connecting the dots. Any information would be appreciated! Thanks! | |
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