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Topic: WTB: Flown Soyuz onboard procedures books
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neo1022
Member Posts: 311
From: Santa Monica, CA
Registered: Jun 2013
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posted 12-19-2018 09:09 PM
   
Looking for a nice flown copy of a Soyuz "Onboard Book" -- the green, blue, and red procedures manuals ("onboard documentation") carried on the spacecraft and used during flight.Any mission is fine (Mir or ISS), but I'm looking for a book that has the correct handstamps and cosmonaut certification/signature. If you have something that fits the bill, please email me directly. Thanks |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 45821
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 12-19-2018 09:25 PM
I have heard that Roscosmos and Energia consider these books and other documentation to be proprietary and do not allow them to leave Star City (outside of flying to space and back). I do not recall seeing one in private hands, and have heard from astronauts that they were denied requests to retain training copies. |
neo1022
Member Posts: 311
From: Santa Monica, CA
Registered: Jun 2013
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posted 12-19-2018 11:04 PM
They are generally retained by Energia, but the Commander can request to keep his copy (or to request that other crew members be allowed to keep theirs). These requests are not always honoured, but in many cases they are. If everything was nominal during the flight there are generally no issues with keeping the books, but if something went wrong? They're staying with Energia... In my network alone, I know of 16 copies in private hands (all with rock-solid cosmonaut provenance and on-board stamps). So I suspect there are quite a few more... But yes, you are correct that many astronauts have tried to get their copies, and have been unable to... Russian Commanders seem to have better luck. |
COR482932
Member Posts: 214
From: Cork, Ireland
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 03-08-2021 03:46 AM
Does anyone know in the three years since the last reply to this thread if it would be possible to obtain a digital copy of these procedures books, seeing as it seems almost impossible to obtain a physical copy?I'm doing a PhD in Human Factors and want to examine procedural performance in teams following long time intervals between last receiving training and task execution, such as Soyuz re-docking or undocking and re-entry. We are considering building our own Soyuz simulator using Orbiter 2016 software and off-the-shelf hardware to test participants' performance in our study. It would therefore be extremely useful to obtain even just a few pages from these procedure books during one of the scenarios outlined above as it will serve me well in creating a training plan for our participants. If anyone would be able to help me out or would be able to point me in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated. — Cian |
SpaceAholic
Member Posts: 4803
From: Sierra Vista, Arizona
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 03-08-2021 05:45 AM
Which flight vehicle variant are you considering simulating? Have some digital documentation (primarily associated with Soyuz TM Neptune IDS control panel - to accompany associated spacecraft hardware retained on this end). This includes the Soyuz Crew Ops Manual (SoyCOM), panel CAD drawings - if helpful can share with you. |
COR482932
Member Posts: 214
From: Cork, Ireland
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 03-08-2021 09:24 AM
I suppose I'm not too fussy at this stage about which variant of the Soyuz the procedures would be applicable to. The software I plan on using uses a glider as the default vehicle, so anything at all will do!I'll be sending an email momentarily if that's okay — appreciate you reaching out and willing to help! |
SpaceAholic
Member Posts: 4803
From: Sierra Vista, Arizona
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 03-12-2021 03:46 PM
Have one of the mythical procedures books (the green "Ordinary Modes" version). This was Yuri Gidzenko's (TM22, TM31, TM34) who subsequently gifted to research/aspiring cosmonaut Nikolai Ivanovich.Some images attached — given the books heavy use reluctant to disassemble for scanning but can shoot a few more pages with a camera if needed.  
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