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Topic: Replicating, reproductions of Beta cloth patches
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Aztecdoug
Member Posts: 1405
From: Huntington Beach
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 11-19-2004 11:39 AM
   
I have been having a conversation off and on with a friend of mine regarding Beta Cloth patches.The gist of it is basically this. How hard is it to go out, buy a roll of Beta Cloth, setup some nice silk-screens, and create your own patches? The point being, we see so many beta cloth patches out there, how do we know you are getting the real deal? Is it possible that somebody could have set up shop and started producing these unbeknown to the average collector? We spoke again last night and thought it would be a real barnstormer of a topic for collectSPACE. |
spacecraft films
Member Posts: 802
From: Columbus, OH USA
Registered: Jun 2002
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posted 11-19-2004 11:49 AM
Well, it wouldn't be hard to do that at all. I actually researched that as a product, but in a different way. I was going to use a larger piece of beta cloth with all of the Apollo patches silk-screened on one piece, placed in a frame. I finally backed off that as a product to concentrate specifically on the DVDs, and at the time I felt other products such as that would slow me down.The cost would have been pretty reasonable, though. I actually got to the point of making contact with some suppliers and priced the beta cloth... wasn't super cheap, but wasn't prohibitive, if I remember. And the screening would have been a snap. |
Aztecdoug
Member Posts: 1405
From: Huntington Beach
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 11-19-2004 12:37 PM
You open an interesting tangent. My thread was initially going down the path of forgers with designs to sell counterfeit Beta Cloth patches.But, you pose a second train of thought that deserves discussion too. Both tangents should be welcome here. What if a source created modern day Beta Cloth replicas? Certainly if sold as a replica, like any modern cloth patch, there should be a market at a reasonable price. I guess the trick then, is how do you tell a modern replica that sells for $10 from an authentic patch that is worth $100? I guess that is where the two tangents re-collide. |
mensax
Member Posts: 861
From: Virginia
Registered: Apr 2002
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posted 11-19-2004 05:57 PM
I would imagine that there is a lot more involved in making these than one would think and that the market for them, for new ones, for "fake ones", wouldn't be worth the effort. |
mensax
Member Posts: 861
From: Virginia
Registered: Apr 2002
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posted 01-18-2005 05:22 PM
I have given this posting a little more thought lately. I still think that going to the trouble of getting all the materials and attempting to make foolproof multi-color mission patches, that have a limited market, and sell for a little over $50 a piece on ebay would be more trouble than it would ever be worth.But at the sale prices that the astronaut name tags have been bringing, a simple one color (black) sprayed through a stencil onto beta cloth that could make $500, well, it's only a matter of time before someone starts making these... |
Hart Sastrowardoyo
Member Posts: 3445
From: Toms River, NJ
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 01-18-2005 10:02 PM
At the risk of opening Pandora's Box, what's to prevent someone from making modern-day replicas and then bringing them to a show to get them signed, and then posting them as either flown or coming from that astronaut's spacesuit? |
paulgotit
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posted 04-24-2011 04:35 PM
Are there fakes of these yet? I am new to this hobby but have a long time in military patches, specifically Vietnam era. On the one hand, the Beta cloth space patches scare me to death as the fakers completely ruined the Vietnamese printed patch market with fakes that were virtually identical to the original ones! What made it worse was that those patches were only going in the $10-$50 range when that happened! It seems that could happen to the Beta patch space market too. Thoughts? Editor's note: Threads merged. |
benguttery
Member Posts: 547
From: Fort Worth, TX, USA
Registered: Feb 2005
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posted 04-24-2011 08:41 PM
I've actually thought about silkscreening the Apollo 1 patch, but thought better of it. Seemed rather blasphemous upon second thought. I can only imagine new ones would look so much better than the originals, particularly that Apollo 7 patch. |
328KF
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posted 04-25-2011 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by benguttery:
I can only imagine new ones would look so much better than the originals, particularly that Apollo 7 patch.
Yes, but the appearance of the genuine Apollo 7 beta would be difficult to reproduce today and that in itself should deter anyone from trying it.Several other betas look unique in ways that differentiate them from a clean, modern copy. Apollo 8 always looks somewhat faded, 12 is unusually small, and the colors on 13 are a little muted when compared to an embroidered patch. Of all of them, I would think 15, 16, and 17 are easiest to match today, but there are slight "tells" in them too. Even the best vintage betas have some slight misalignment in the colors. The NASA meatball was most susceptible to this. One on eBay now is particularly bad. I would suggest that if anyone is looking at purchasing a questionable beta patch, run it by the gang here before throwing down a lot of cash. |
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