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GoesTo11
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posted 02-02-2011 08:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GoesTo11   Click Here to Email GoesTo11     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've never been clear on the restrictions pertaining to the reproduction/sale of official mission patches. I've never (knowingly) bought a mission patch made by a non-NASA-contracted manufacturer, and never would, so I frankly haven't given it a lot of thought.

Are these designs public domain? eBay is wary of potential liability and consequently as diligent as possible (given their millions of sellers and transactions), so I have to assume that whatever ethical issues one might have with eBay sellers who offer unofficial reproductions, they aren't actually breaking any laws. Am I wrong? Anyone here with knowledge of such things, such as Tim or Jorge, care to educate me?

hoorenz
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posted 02-02-2011 09:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Our Soyuz designs are constantly being copied. It is almost impossible to do something against it. On Wikipedia, these are presented as 'free of copyright' because they believe these are government logos.

Even if these were copyrighted, it is usually impossible to explain this to people who are producing these fake patches. I found most of them simply do not understand what copyright is to begin with. End of discussion. Complaining with eBay is a very long road, even involving having to FAX them some forms.

I sort of stopped worrying about it, even though it is not a great feeling to have worked on a design for hours and hours, involving a lot of discussions, changes, deadlines and even some risks, and see someone who does not have any obligations to anyone, copy it in just a mouseclick and earning money with it.

Well, this is what I can say: they simply miss all the fun surrounding projects like these!

garymilgrom
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posted 02-02-2011 11:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for garymilgrom   Click Here to Email garymilgrom     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You may be able to prevent unauthorized use by placing a transparent word over any artwork you release. At least this would require someone wanting to copy your patch to buy one of the real ones from you. An example is below.

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spaceman
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posted 02-02-2011 01:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaceman   Click Here to Email spaceman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The final designs are made available to the public on the NASA website/ESA website etc eventually. They would not obscure them as the patch, although devised by the crew and associates, is representative of a government funded project and made freely available as it promotes spaceflight and exploration.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 02-02-2011 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Be careful not confuse NASA sharing its insignia artwork online (even in high resolution) with the space agency making the designs "freely available" for any use.

As many are probably already familiar, the captions that accompany NASA mission insignia include the following disclaimer:

The NASA insignia design for shuttle and space station flights is reserved for use by the astronauts and for other official use as the NASA Administrator may authorize. Public availability has been approved only in the form of illustrations by the various news media. When and if there is any change in this policy, which is not anticipated, it will be publicly announced. Photo credit: NASA or National Aeronautics and Space Administration.
NASA maintains that approval must be sought prior to any commercial use of the insignia artwork, regardless of the type of product.
Strict legal regulations govern NASA policy regarding merchandising and advertising requests. Companies interested in producing NASA-related merchandise or commercial advertisements must notify NASA's Public Services Division in writing or by E-mail. Requests should describe the intended use of NASA imagery on the product. If possible, layouts, storyboards etc. of the product or advertisement should be included. When all legal requirements have been met, NASA will send the merchandiser or advertiser an approval letter.

Companies interested in producing NASA-related merchandise have equal access to NASA information. There is no licensing or exclusivity agreement with NASA.

In practice, NASA has not always been proactive about policing the merchandising use of its emblems. Once reported however, the agency tends to follow up -- either granting or denying approval as appropriate.

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