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Topic: Astronauts' mission checklists and cue cards
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spaced out
Member Posts: 3110
From: Paris, France
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted 03-03-2004 08:55 AM
   
Has anyone sold a page from an Apollo cuff checklist, and if so, how much did it go for? |
Larry McGlynn
Member Posts: 1255
From: Boston, MA
Registered: Jul 2003
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posted 03-09-2004 10:18 AM
I do not know of any individual checklist pages that have been sold. There has been one sale of a complete checklist. It happened about two years ago. Not much detail about who's checklist or the price. I think the price was in the seven figure category.I am curious. Why do you ask? |
spaced out
Member Posts: 3110
From: Paris, France
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted 03-09-2004 11:30 AM
I wish I could say it's because I've just bought one... In reality, though it's just curiosity after seeing the various checklists on offer. It just made me wonder if I'd missed seeing a cuff checklist page being sold at some stage in the past. Somehow I don't think I'd be in the running for an item like this if it did come up... |
Scott
Member Posts: 3307
From: Houston, TX
Registered: May 2001
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posted 03-09-2004 04:58 PM
It's not a checklist, but I know Charlie Duke sold the convex cuff mirror he used during his Apollo 16 EVAs (to see the readings on some of his suit gauges) about ten years ago. I think it went for around $2,000. A good deal for whoever got it. |
SRB
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Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 03-14-2004 12:45 AM
You are right that $2,000 was a bargain for Duke's Spacesuit wrist mirror. It was resold in the Aurora October, 2002 sale for $17,250. Still not a bad price for an unquestionably genuine piece of a spacesuit used on the moon that, as a number of pictures show, was covered with moon dust. |
NC Apollo Fan
Member Posts: 261
From: Belmont, NC USA
Registered: Jul 2000
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posted 03-15-2004 09:03 AM
Back in the late 1990's I saw an ad in an older (perhaps early to mid 1990's) issue of Autograph Times magazine. If I recall correctly it was an ad to purchase a LM checklist page that was flown on Apollo 11 - being a general ad it implied that many were available. The price was $200.I remember this clearly because I was just beginning to find an interest in the Apollo program. The fact that I don't recall ever seeing one in a collection or up for auction makes me wonder if it was just my imagination. Does anyone else recall these items being sold? |
Brian Maguire
Member Posts: 20
From: Durham,UK
Registered: Sep 2006
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posted 09-15-2006 04:58 AM
Does anyone know where I could find details of the Guidance and Navigation (G&N) dictionary from Apollo 11? I have a lunar surface flown p30 LM maneuver card from the dictionary and would love to see it in its original context.
I have spent ages on the net trying to find something/anything, but alas, to no avail. |
Larry McGlynn
Member Posts: 1255
From: Boston, MA
Registered: Jul 2003
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posted 09-15-2006 06:49 AM
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Originally posted by Brian Maguire:
Does anyone know where I could find details of the Guidance and Navigation (G&N) dictionary from Apollo 11?
That particular checklist maybe in one of a few places like the National Air and Space Museum, sold or broken up. I don't have the Apollo 11 G&N Dictionary, but I do have the Apollo 17 G&N Dictionary. I believe the P30 page was for External Delta V. I have a file of scanned checklist pages from it. You are more than welcome to it. |
Brian Maguire
Member Posts: 20
From: Durham,UK
Registered: Sep 2006
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posted 09-15-2006 03:31 PM
I would be most grateful if you could email me your scanned copy of the A17 G&N. (Do you own the whole Apollo 17 G&N dictionary?!) |
nasamad
Member Posts: 2121
From: Essex, UK
Registered: Jul 2001
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posted 09-22-2007 09:58 AM
I'm just about to get a flown Apollo checklist page framed and was wondering if these kind of things fade, as they are not photographic paper. I have had it signed in pencil so I'm hoping that won't fade.
I'm asking because I want to get a pic of it with the astronaut and if I choose the UV protection It wont be done in time. |
rjurek349
Member Posts: 1190
From: Northwest Indiana
Registered: Jan 2002
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posted 09-22-2007 01:05 PM
Just a quick note of thanks to Dick and Linda Gordon for making flown Launch Ops checklist pages available from Apollo 12 to collectors. I own both the full replica checklist (also top notch, folks, and not to be passed up), and just received this week a flown leaf with outstanding content and a great hand-signed flight cert on the page from Dick. Can't get any better than that -- to have the replica of the full list and to have an actual flown page. Sweet.One of the key things I like about the fact the the Launch Ops checklist pages are available to serious collectors is that this was the lightning strike launch...so it is cool to have a page from the manual used during that early but critical part of the mission. Check it out at Dick Gordon's website. Click on the Space Artifacts section. After a number of interactions, I can tell you, it is an absolute pleasure dealing directly with Linda and Dick. I can't recommend it highly enough.
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mmmoo
Member Posts: 551
From: London, England
Registered: May 2001
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posted 09-22-2007 03:13 PM
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Originally posted by nasamad:
I'm just about to get a flown Apollo checklist page framed and was wondering if these kind of things fade, as they are not photographic paper.
I would definitely go for the UV protection, and even then to keep it in a dark room. I framed my checklist pages with acid free mats and UV OP3/P99 glazing. This is anti glare, and filters out 99% of UV rays. If you cant get it done on time, maybe you could frame it temporarily without UV protection for the photo shoot, but not sealed down, so you can then remove the checklist and get it framed properly later on. |
nasamad
Member Posts: 2121
From: Essex, UK
Registered: Jul 2001
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posted 09-24-2007 10:43 AM
I spoke with the framer and he said UV glass is no problem and it didn't add much to the price, so hopefully it will be done in about two weeks.I'll try to post a shot of it to show you guys the finished result. |
Novaspace
Member Posts: 434
From: Tucson, AZ USA
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted 09-24-2007 10:23 PM
Black and white doesn't fade. Colors do. However, paper yellows and will disintegrate from acid eventually. Get it deacidified, and then encapsulate it in acetate before framing it. |
dtemple
Member Posts: 729
From: Longview, Texas, USA
Registered: Apr 2000
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posted 09-30-2007 12:01 PM
How do you deacidify paper? I have a flown page from Cernan's LM "troubleshooting manual" (forgot the exact title) and it appears to be in perfect condition. Currently it is stored inside an archival sleeve inside a safety deposit box. What about old newspaper that has yellowed but not weak and crumbling? |
nasamad
Member Posts: 2121
From: Essex, UK
Registered: Jul 2001
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posted 09-30-2007 12:22 PM
Kim, when you say encapsulate in acetate, do you mean actually have it kind of laminated into it or just placed between some acetate sheets?David, I think the deacidifying stuff may be called Wie-to or something like that, Kim will know better than I. My page is from the same malfunction checklist as yours by the sounds of it! |
gliderpilotuk
Member Posts: 3398
From: London, UK
Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 09-30-2007 12:56 PM
Try these guys: Preservation Equipment (UK based). They have a deacidifier called Bookkeeper. |
nasamad
Member Posts: 2121
From: Essex, UK
Registered: Jul 2001
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posted 09-30-2007 02:28 PM
Thanks, I'll look into that before I hand over there real thing for putting in the frame (the framer has a hi-res copy at the moment so he can get his sizing correct). |
Novaspace
Member Posts: 434
From: Tucson, AZ USA
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted 09-30-2007 02:48 PM
Bookkeeper is fine. All deacidifying sprays are usually calcium carbonate or some other acid buffer. Kind of expensive, but worth it. Newspaper is the worst, but if yellowed,it need to be buffered soon. It won't cure the problem, only stop further damageEncapsulation is taking two sheets of acetate and sealing the item in between, usually with double-stick tape along the at the edges of the acetate. The idea is to keep air and moisture out. |
poofacio
Member Posts: 268
From: United Kingdom
Registered: Oct 2006
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posted 09-30-2007 04:51 PM
I would consider framing a copy and keeping the original in a very dark place in an acid free sleeve. Any light (and hence UV) will take its toll. A shame, but its that or slowly destroying it! |
Novaspace
Member Posts: 434
From: Tucson, AZ USA
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted 09-30-2007 09:59 PM
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Originally posted by poofacio:
Any light (and hence UV) will take its toll. A shame, but its that or slowly destroying it!
As I said before, black and white printing (photos and offset) does not fade. Acidification will take place even in the dark. |
dtemple
Member Posts: 729
From: Longview, Texas, USA
Registered: Apr 2000
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posted 09-30-2007 10:57 PM
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Originally posted by gliderpilotuk:
they have a deacidifier called Bookkeeper.
Bookkeeper may NOT be suitable according to this report. This might provide a better alternative. |
gliderpilotuk
Member Posts: 3398
From: London, UK
Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 10-01-2007 06:25 AM
Has someone written a thesis on Paper-Saver as well? A simple call to PEL Ltd should resolve the issue. |
contra
Member Posts: 318
From: Kiel, Germany
Registered: Mar 2005
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posted 01-03-2008 01:52 PM
Today I received two signed photos from Paul Weitz and I have finished the presentation of my flown checklist page of Weitz' STS-6 mission.I know there are more flown checklist pages around so please let us all see how you put them on display. Here is my presentation...  
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Brian Maguire
Member Posts: 20
From: Durham,UK
Registered: Sep 2006
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posted 03-14-2008 04:56 AM
Im just very curious... I have a few Apollo 11 flight plan pages, and was wondering, does anyone know what type of paper these were made of? They are very thin (a bit like "bible paper"). I assume this was due to weight considerations. Did NASA standardise and use the same paper on all missions? |
garymilgrom
Member Posts: 1966
From: Atlanta, GA
Registered: Feb 2007
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posted 03-17-2008 12:53 PM
Here is an Electrical Power System checklist used on Apollo 17. I'd like to comment on displaying items. After I received this item I realized that my heirs would one day own it and I started to think about how best to ensure it lasted in pristine condition. But eventually I decided I bought it for myself and I would enjoy seeing it as much as possible. So I have this displayed in my living room where it gets indirect northern light. Before it was framed I also enjoyed handling it while thinking about where this checklist had been. Others who have posted about displaying similar items in darkened rooms to maximize longevity, and I respect those opinions. I did use top notch materials and I would not let direct sunlight fall on the piece. I guess I'm simply selfish enough that I want to see this beauty daily.  |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 42981
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 03-12-2010 01:15 PM
A collectSPACE reader writes: In the top right corner of this photo is a checklist. Would anyone know which checklist it is, what the name of it is? Can someone help him? Reply to this thread and I'll make the answer is forwarded. |
SpaceAholic
Member Posts: 4437
From: Sierra Vista, Arizona
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 03-12-2010 07:52 PM
It's the DOI Data Card from the flight plan... |
kyra
Member Posts: 583
From: Louisville CO US
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted 03-13-2010 12:16 AM
Scott is right, it is the DOI Data Card. However, this is from the LM Data Cards Book. Please see Apollo Lots 1, Number 3113 from the latest Lunar Legacies auction. |
MadSci
Member Posts: 226
From: Maryland, USA
Registered: Oct 2008
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posted 03-13-2010 03:30 AM
I have framed a three page set of a Flown Apollo 17 LM Malfunction checklist. Everything was acid-free, and the three pages, which are double sided, were mounted 'floating; in a double sided frame glazed with Museum Glass so they are visible on both sides.I can't post a picture here but here's a link to my collection on an open page (you don't need to be a member!) on Facebook. The checklists are shown in pictures 21-24. Enjoy. |
SpaceAholic
Member Posts: 4437
From: Sierra Vista, Arizona
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 03-13-2010 06:59 AM
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Originally posted by kyra:
However, this is from the LM Data Cards Book.
The LM data cards while physically located in a separate book are integral to and extracted from the Flight Plan. The comment was intended to distinguish from the Check Lists which augment but are technically not derived from the flight plan. |
Starfighter1
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posted 03-13-2010 09:52 AM
What does DOI stand for? What was this checklist used for? How many checklists were onboard the LM on the lunar surface? |
SpaceAholic
Member Posts: 4437
From: Sierra Vista, Arizona
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 03-13-2010 10:35 AM
Descent Orbit InsertionAs previously mentioned, it was not a Checklist. In a nutshell the Data Card supported calculation of parameters for the affiliated burn (burn time, expected changes in velocity and angular rates). |
Spacefest
Member Posts: 1168
From: Tucson, AZ
Registered: Jan 2009
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posted 03-13-2010 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by garymilgrom:
...where it gets indirect northern light.
Gary, you should be aware that north light is almost all UV (since blue is short wavelength and reflects, at least in our hemisphere). It's in more danger than if it got direct sun.Try to find a happy medium. |
Apollonut
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posted 07-06-2010 11:00 AM
I recently acquired a flown page from Dick Gordon's Apollo 12 Launch Operations Checklist. Was this the only Launch Operations Checklist flown on this mission or would Conrad or Bean have carried a similar checklist?Editor's note: Threads merged. |
SpaceAholic
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posted 07-06-2010 11:06 AM
Two carried (one each for the Command and Lunar Module Pilot). |
Apollonut
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posted 07-07-2010 06:51 AM
Thanks for clearing that one up for me. |
Jarnoparoni
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From: Germany
Registered: Aug 2009
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posted 07-23-2011 06:32 AM
I have also a flown lunar surface page signed from Cernan. My opinion: I hate this big massive presentation in a frame with mission patch, pictures and all that stuff. For me these presentation looks absurdly. For me that looks braggy to hang this frame in my house. I have my page in a book in a dark room, sometimes I look at the page and I want to hold in my hand; I want to feel the side that was on the moon. |
garymilgrom
Member Posts: 1966
From: Atlanta, GA
Registered: Feb 2007
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posted 07-23-2011 10:12 AM
Jarnoparoni - I respect your opinion. But I think one day I will not be here to tell the story behind this list, and therefore I chose the "big frame" and accompanying artifacts and text to tell the story.Spacefest - thank you for your comment about northern light being harmful. I have changed the way I (don't) light my collection because of your advice. |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 42981
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 07-23-2011 02:28 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Jarnoparoni:
I have my page in a book in a dark room
Is the checklist page otherwise unprotected in the book? If so, you may want to look at more archival-safe approach to storing it. The acid in the book's own pages may over time do damage to the checklist page.At the least, you may want to invest in an archival sleeve or acid-free folder, in which to place the checklist. |
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