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Kevin 61
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posted 11-21-2010 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kevin 61     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is my first post here although I have come here many times in the past to read other's posts.

I have a question about a space related (at least I hope it is) item I bought on ebay several years ago (from ebay seller "spatial one"). It is a small plug in circuit board approximately 4.5" x 5". It was sold as being a surplus part that was intended for use in the Saturn Instrument Unit (IU) . Needless to say it is cool to have a part of a Saturn V but I've never been able to conclusively verify that it was indeed a part intended for a Saturn booster.

The board was made by Space Craft, Inc. (SCI) of Huntsville Alabama and is marked as being an "RD-2Z". It has several rows of resistors, 3 rows of Texas Instruments transistors, and gold plated contacts where it plugs in. I have downloaded every manual I could find online pertaining to the IU but none of what I have found goes into enough detail to show individual boards. I did confirm that SCI was a subcontractor to IBM for the IU and supplied five different sub-assemblies that were used on the IU... so far so good, but I haven't been able to establish anything beyond that.

What would be a good next step to try to find more in-depth info that might indicate if this board was ever used on the Saturns? I'd assume that more detailed parts lists, schematics, or more detailed manuals would still exist in some NASA archive somewhere...how would I gain access (I am a taxpayer after all)?

I realize that this part was never flown (obviously) and likely was never installed in a Saturn IU which is how it came to be sold off as surplus. Still I'd like to know if it were, in fact, built to be a working part of the moon rocket.

I'd deeply appreciate any insight anyone can provide towards finding out more info. Thanks!

David Carey
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posted 11-22-2010 08:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for David Carey   Click Here to Email David Carey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scott (SpaceAholic) may have better info but I own one of these spacecraft boards (or close at least, UFF-2Z) and have purchased a number of items from spatialone over the years. While these purchases have included Saturn IU boards, I've believed the item in question to be strictly ground support.

I also purchased from spatialone some RCA boards (longer, and from the RCA 110 launch computer system) and these are ground as well. The Saturn IU electronics are distinctly different, at least for the LVDC guidance computer.

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posted 11-24-2010 02:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for David Carey   Click Here to Email David Carey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well Kevin, you've piqued my own curiousity now. I've got a call in to one of the long-time defense side guys at Sanmina-SCI in Huntsville [Space Craft Inc was the fore-runner there] and will let you know what I find out. The more I read, the more it seems like a Saturn V application might be a possibility. There was a lot of electronic stuff in the Saturn V besides the LVDC of course so who knows. Will post if any further info materializes after the holidays assuming I hear back.

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posted 11-24-2010 10:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kevin 61     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Dave, eBay seller spatialone did represent this thing to be a spare IU circuit board purchased at a NASA surplus auction and I bought it (not all that cheaply although for less than others have paid for similar items from him) based on that information. Of course what he was basing that statement on I do not know... but I tend to have faith in my fellow (space)man.

It's not the end of the world if it turns out to be a ground based board but of course that's not nearly as glamorous a thing to hold in your hand. SCI was making stuff to fly into space so at least it has the right pedigree in any case.

If the RD-2Z was ever used on a Saturn IU it was probably part of one of these IU subassemblies that were subcontracted to SCI by IBM...

CIU 501
command decode
frequency DC converter
410 multiplexers (2)
servoaccelerometer unit

So maybe this little board somehow fit into the workings of one of those, but so far I haven't been able to find any information on the "guts" inside these units. Nothing I've found available online goes into subassemblies in that depth, although the above listed units do sometimes merit mention in the text or a flow chart.

So I'd like to know how I can get to the next level of detail and see if an RD-2Z was used inside any of these. My main question being how to access information I assume is archived somewhere... Of course if your SCI guy knows anything that would be cool too.

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posted 12-01-2010 03:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for David Carey   Click Here to Email David Carey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, Kevin, I'm afraid a fairly authoritative verdict is in by way of some of the original employees at Space Craft / SCI / Sanmina-SCI (including the founder). Not a flight article; possibly for GSE but nothing that was ever intended to ride in a rocket. While the news may not be what you were hoping for, my thanks to the Sanmina-SCI folks who took the time to review images and information to set the record straight for us all.

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