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T O P I C R E V I E WMikeSpaceFor sale: Gemini Fliteline medallion set lucite. Only 24 of these were made. Contains 10 medallions, a complete flown collection in one. This was owned and displayed by Wally Schirra. Original COA from his family included. The lucite had a crack where two screws entered, Admento recast the coins in a non-screw Lucite piece. Photos here.$24,999 or best offer, shipped to lower 48 USA.MikeSpaceReduced to $22,999. Will consider offers. MikeSpace$21,999, will consider offers.MikeSpaceFinal reduction $19,999.garymilgromBeautiful item. Good luck.MikeSpace$18,999 will consider offersMikeSpace$17,999 or offer.MikeSpaceLowering to $14,999!sts205cdrMike, just curious, do these contain flown metal from each spacecraft? Could you clarify what is flown?Robert PearlmanEach Fliteline medallion was flown on the mission for which it commemorates. You can read more about their history on the Space Flown Artifacts website.sts205cdrThanks, Robert! I wasn’t aware of the emblems for GT-3 and 4 being in existence during the time. Why didn’t they have patches for those missions?Robert PearlmanGordon Cooper on Gemini 5 was the first to propose having patches after NASA management turned down requests to name the Gemini spacecraft. Before then, it was not something the crews had proposed.sts205cdrThat's a puzzling answer, Robert. If those crews didn't propose names for their spacecraft, how is it that they flew these emblems with the spacecraft names? Were GT-5 and on given proposed spacecraft names? I'm not aware of any, although Gemini 5 could have used Conestoga Wagon.Mike DixonI think you might be confusing the naming of the Gemini spacecraft as opposed to the creation of each patch. Two very different things.sts205cdrIs this correct? GT-3: Spacecraft name: Molly Brown Emblem: Yes, with spacecraft name Mission patch: NoGT-4: Spacecraft name: America Eagle Emblem: Yes, with spacecraft name Mission patch: No, but USA flag patch addedGT-5: Spacecraft name: None, but informally Conestoga Wagon Emblem: Yes, first official mission emblem, no spacecraft name Mission patch: Yes, but parachute material used to hide 8 Days or BustGT-6A to GT-10: Spacecraft name: None Emblem: Yes, no spacecraft name Mission patch: YesRobert Pearlman"Molly Brown" and "American Eagle" were never approved as spacecraft names or call signs. They were not used during the missions. The names did appear on the Fliteline medallions, but those were not considered official and their designs, although later produced as patches, were not official.After NASA turned down the first two Gemini crews from naming their spacecraft, Gordon Cooper proposed adopting a military tradition and letting the crews create their own mission patch. NASA gave permission for the Gemini 5 patch, so long as the "8 Days or Bust" motto was covered by fabric. None of the Gemini missions had separate official emblems and patches. Gemini 3 and Gemini 4 had neither a patch nor an emblem. Gemini 5 through Gemini 12 had official mission patches, which were reproduced on souvenirs, including the Fliteline medallions.sts205cdrThanks, Robert. What is confusing is that you said NASA lifted the prohibition on spacecraft names for GT-5, but names weren't used then and for follow on missions. Also, if it wasn’t something the crews proposed, why would they fly medallions with spacecraft names?Robert PearlmanI am sorry for not being clearer.NASA never lifted the prohibition on Gemini spacecraft names. The Gemini 3 and Gemini 4 crews didn't think to suggest mission patches as the astronaut office was still trying to get NASA to change its stance on the names.We do not know whose idea it was to have the medallions created. It is possible the initial medallions were produced without the crew being involved at all.sts205cdrCool info, as always. It seems bizarre that Gus and Jim would not be involved with and aware of anything that went into their spacecraft. Very interesting, and yes, it does appear that the originators of these items loaded onto the Gemini spacecraft remain unknown. Puzzling, to say the least. In any case, these are astounding pieces of history, and knowing that Mike Black (ex. Wally) owns them is enough for me. I wish I could buy them, but it would mean my demise by the Mrs.MikeSpaceThanks Robert for clarification, I myself was not sure how the GT-3 and GT-4 missions has medallions flown with those insignias. I do not want to part with this, but my collecting has me specializing towards the Apollo moonwalk missions. Chain of provenance is direct; Schirra's daughter sold to Farthest Reaches who I purchased from. The asking price now is very close to my cost. SpacepsychoMike, I've sent you a couple of emails about the lucite but so far no response. Is the email linked here working?MikeSpaceLucite was sold, thanks all.
The lucite had a crack where two screws entered, Admento recast the coins in a non-screw Lucite piece. Photos here.
$24,999 or best offer, shipped to lower 48 USA.
Were GT-5 and on given proposed spacecraft names? I'm not aware of any, although Gemini 5 could have used Conestoga Wagon.
The names did appear on the Fliteline medallions, but those were not considered official and their designs, although later produced as patches, were not official.
After NASA turned down the first two Gemini crews from naming their spacecraft, Gordon Cooper proposed adopting a military tradition and letting the crews create their own mission patch. NASA gave permission for the Gemini 5 patch, so long as the "8 Days or Bust" motto was covered by fabric.
None of the Gemini missions had separate official emblems and patches. Gemini 3 and Gemini 4 had neither a patch nor an emblem. Gemini 5 through Gemini 12 had official mission patches, which were reproduced on souvenirs, including the Fliteline medallions.
Also, if it wasn’t something the crews proposed, why would they fly medallions with spacecraft names?
NASA never lifted the prohibition on Gemini spacecraft names. The Gemini 3 and Gemini 4 crews didn't think to suggest mission patches as the astronaut office was still trying to get NASA to change its stance on the names.
We do not know whose idea it was to have the medallions created. It is possible the initial medallions were produced without the crew being involved at all.
It seems bizarre that Gus and Jim would not be involved with and aware of anything that went into their spacecraft. Very interesting, and yes, it does appear that the originators of these items loaded onto the Gemini spacecraft remain unknown. Puzzling, to say the least.
In any case, these are astounding pieces of history, and knowing that Mike Black (ex. Wally) owns them is enough for me. I wish I could buy them, but it would mean my demise by the Mrs.
I do not want to part with this, but my collecting has me specializing towards the Apollo moonwalk missions. Chain of provenance is direct; Schirra's daughter sold to Farthest Reaches who I purchased from.
The asking price now is very close to my cost.
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