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Topic: FS: Gemini flown medallion set lucite
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MikeSpace
Member Posts: 73
From: USA
Registered: Jun 2020
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posted 10-10-2020 08:12 PM
   
For sale: Gemini Fliteline medallion set lucite. Only 24 of these were made. Contains 10 medallions, a complete flown collection in one. This was owned and displayed by Wally Schirra. Original COA from his family included. The lucite had a crack where two screws entered, Admento recast the coins in a non-screw Lucite piece. Photos here. $24,999 or best offer, shipped to lower 48 USA. |
MikeSpace
Member Posts: 73
From: USA
Registered: Jun 2020
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posted 10-13-2020 10:36 PM
Reduced to $22,999. Will consider offers. |
MikeSpace
Member Posts: 73
From: USA
Registered: Jun 2020
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posted 10-17-2020 11:39 PM
$21,999, will consider offers. |
MikeSpace
Member Posts: 73
From: USA
Registered: Jun 2020
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posted 10-20-2020 04:06 AM
Final reduction $19,999.
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garymilgrom
Member Posts: 2012
From: Atlanta, GA
Registered: Feb 2007
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posted 10-20-2020 01:08 PM
Beautiful item. Good luck. |
MikeSpace
Member Posts: 73
From: USA
Registered: Jun 2020
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posted 11-27-2020 12:19 AM
$18,999 will consider offers |
MikeSpace
Member Posts: 73
From: USA
Registered: Jun 2020
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posted 11-30-2020 04:02 PM
$17,999 or offer. |
MikeSpace
Member Posts: 73
From: USA
Registered: Jun 2020
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posted 12-25-2020 05:09 PM
Lowering to $14,999! |
sts205cdr
Member Posts: 677
From: Sacramento, CA
Registered: Jun 2001
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posted 12-26-2020 03:15 PM
Mike, just curious, do these contain flown metal from each spacecraft? Could you clarify what is flown? |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 45335
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 12-26-2020 03:21 PM
Each Fliteline medallion was flown on the mission for which it commemorates. You can read more about their history on the Space Flown Artifacts website. |
sts205cdr
Member Posts: 677
From: Sacramento, CA
Registered: Jun 2001
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posted 12-26-2020 03:30 PM
Thanks, Robert! I wasn’t aware of the emblems for GT-3 and 4 being in existence during the time. Why didn’t they have patches for those missions? |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 45335
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 12-26-2020 05:19 PM
Gordon Cooper on Gemini 5 was the first to propose having patches after NASA management turned down requests to name the Gemini spacecraft. Before then, it was not something the crews had proposed. |
sts205cdr
Member Posts: 677
From: Sacramento, CA
Registered: Jun 2001
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posted 12-26-2020 06:01 PM
That's a puzzling answer, Robert. If those crews didn't propose names for their spacecraft, how is it that they flew these emblems with the spacecraft names? Were GT-5 and on given proposed spacecraft names? I'm not aware of any, although Gemini 5 could have used Conestoga Wagon. |
Mike Dixon
Member Posts: 1497
From: Kew, Victoria, Australia
Registered: May 2003
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posted 12-26-2020 06:33 PM
I think you might be confusing the naming of the Gemini spacecraft as opposed to the creation of each patch. Two very different things. |
sts205cdr
Member Posts: 677
From: Sacramento, CA
Registered: Jun 2001
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posted 12-26-2020 07:00 PM
Is this correct? - GT-3:
Spacecraft name: Molly Brown
Emblem: Yes, with spacecraft name
Mission patch: No - GT-4:
Spacecraft name: America Eagle
Emblem: Yes, with spacecraft name
Mission patch: No, but USA flag patch added - GT-5:
Spacecraft name: None, but informally Conestoga Wagon
Emblem: Yes, first official mission emblem, no spacecraft name
Mission patch: Yes, but parachute material used to hide 8 Days or Bust - GT-6A to GT-10:
Spacecraft name: None
Emblem: Yes, no spacecraft name
Mission patch: Yes
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Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 45335
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 12-26-2020 07:38 PM
"Molly Brown" and "American Eagle" were never approved as spacecraft names or call signs. They were not used during the missions. The names did appear on the Fliteline medallions, but those were not considered official and their designs, although later produced as patches, were not official. After NASA turned down the first two Gemini crews from naming their spacecraft, Gordon Cooper proposed adopting a military tradition and letting the crews create their own mission patch. NASA gave permission for the Gemini 5 patch, so long as the "8 Days or Bust" motto was covered by fabric. None of the Gemini missions had separate official emblems and patches. Gemini 3 and Gemini 4 had neither a patch nor an emblem. Gemini 5 through Gemini 12 had official mission patches, which were reproduced on souvenirs, including the Fliteline medallions. |
sts205cdr
Member Posts: 677
From: Sacramento, CA
Registered: Jun 2001
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posted 12-26-2020 07:59 PM
Thanks, Robert. What is confusing is that you said NASA lifted the prohibition on spacecraft names for GT-5, but names weren't used then and for follow on missions. Also, if it wasn’t something the crews proposed, why would they fly medallions with spacecraft names? |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 45335
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 12-26-2020 08:19 PM
I am sorry for not being clearer.NASA never lifted the prohibition on Gemini spacecraft names. The Gemini 3 and Gemini 4 crews didn't think to suggest mission patches as the astronaut office was still trying to get NASA to change its stance on the names. We do not know whose idea it was to have the medallions created. It is possible the initial medallions were produced without the crew being involved at all. |
sts205cdr
Member Posts: 677
From: Sacramento, CA
Registered: Jun 2001
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posted 12-26-2020 08:34 PM
Cool info, as always. It seems bizarre that Gus and Jim would not be involved with and aware of anything that went into their spacecraft. Very interesting, and yes, it does appear that the originators of these items loaded onto the Gemini spacecraft remain unknown. Puzzling, to say the least. In any case, these are astounding pieces of history, and knowing that Mike Black (ex. Wally) owns them is enough for me. I wish I could buy them, but it would mean my demise by the Mrs. |
MikeSpace
Member Posts: 73
From: USA
Registered: Jun 2020
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posted 12-26-2020 09:53 PM
Thanks Robert for clarification, I myself was not sure how the GT-3 and GT-4 missions has medallions flown with those insignias. I do not want to part with this, but my collecting has me specializing towards the Apollo moonwalk missions. Chain of provenance is direct; Schirra's daughter sold to Farthest Reaches who I purchased from. The asking price now is very close to my cost. |
Spacepsycho
Member Posts: 863
From: Huntington Beach, Calif.
Registered: Aug 2004
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posted 12-30-2020 07:06 PM
Mike, I've sent you a couple of emails about the lucite but so far no response. Is the email linked here working? |
MikeSpace
Member Posts: 73
From: USA
Registered: Jun 2020
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posted 12-31-2020 04:20 PM
Lucite was sold, thanks all. |
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