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Robert Pearlman
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From today's (Sept. 5) space shuttle display article...
According to the Los Angeles Times, 128 trees lining the streets in Inglewood and about 265 alongside roadways in L.A. are being trimmed and toppled. Many of the trees were already under consideration for removal, including 91 that bordered an airport fence.

"While we welcome the space shuttle with open arms, we recognize the effect it'll have on surrounding communities and are working hard to mitigate those impacts," said Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa in a statement.

For every tree brought down, the CSC plans to plant two in its place. The science center is investing $500,000 toward landscaping and roadway improvements after Endeavour passes through.

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Toyota Tundra truck to tow space shuttle to California Science Center

Space shuttle Endeavour has been moved by rockets, its own engines and thrusters, tank-like transporters and industrial tows. Now retired and museum- bound, the NASA winged orbiter will add another, perhaps unexpected form of locomotion to its well-travelled history: a Toyota Tundra pickup truck.

Toyota Motor Sales, USA, Inc. announced on Wednesday (Sept. 12) that its Tundra full-size pickup truck is slated to tow Endeavour during its delivery to the California Science Center (CSC), where both the space shuttle and truck are destined for display. Endeavour will travel the 12 miles (19 kilometers) from Los Angeles International Airport (LAX) to the science center on city streets, with the Tundra towing the shuttle during the last quarter mile (400 meters).

(As part of this Toyota will donate up to $500,000 to the California Science Center; details in the article.)

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posted 09-14-2012 06:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceAngel   Click Here to Email SpaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why use a pickup truck to haul Endeavour; couldn't a tractor trailer or semi truck be use for the job?

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They have four special transporters for most of the trip. The Tundra only tows 400 meters (honestly, any further and the engine would probably blow, on any pickup, that's a lot of weight!).

This is just a marketing ploy by Toyota (guarantee you will see some commercials with it towing Endeavour), and CSC I am sure is getting some money towards their future building where Endeavour will reside permanently.

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posted 09-14-2012 09:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DCCollector   Click Here to Email DCCollector     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Couldn't get an American car company?

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posted 09-14-2012 09:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hart Sastrowardoyo   Click Here to Email Hart Sastrowardoyo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Isn't an American car company hard to define? I mean, you could have a car with foreign components assembled here in the U.S. with an American car company nameplate.

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I wouldnt be surprised if a little political uproar over this not being an American company happens.

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ROFLMAO... at least it isn't a Russian or Chinese made truck hauling our Space Legacy to its final resting place. That would have hurt just a little too much.

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The Toyota Tundra is built in the U.S. (San Antonio, Texas) and the partnership that led to this towing is through Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A.
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...CSC I am sure is getting some money towards their future building where Endeavour will reside permanently.
Perhaps it bears repeating from above, Toyota is donating up to $500,000 to the California Science Center as part of this (the total amount is based on how many people use the Tundra Endeavour website to spread word of the event on Twitter; $50 donated per re-tweet).

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Nearly 400 trees are being chopped down down in Inglewood and South L.A. to make room for Endeavour's move along city streets next month, reports the Los Angeles Times.
To garner residents' support, the [science] center sweetened the deal at the last minute and agreed to replant four times as many trees, repair additional sidewalks, and offer scholarships and job training.

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posted 09-18-2012 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hart Sastrowardoyo   Click Here to Email Hart Sastrowardoyo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Besides, who built the 76-wheeled transporter originally designed for moving the shuttle at Vandenberg and then transferred to Kennedy Space Center? Wasn't an American company...

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The tail cone will be removed before Endeavour is rolled through the street of L.A.; is that correct?

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Yes, the tail cone will be removed this week while inside the United Airlines hangar. It will then be shipped back to Kennedy Space Center, where its disposition will be decided.

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The tail cone was removed today...


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I hope they plan to beef up security for Endeavour's move from LAX to the CSC, now that a "credible threat" has been identified: How To Steal The Space Shuttle: A Step-By-Step Guide
Yesterday morning I was at the California Science Center's press conference outlining their plan to drag a massive spaceship across Los Angeles. It was one of those times where logistics can make even the most outlandish plans seem boring, as they went over schedules and road closures and the like. While they were describing the locations where Endeavour would be stopped for viewing or technical reasons, I realized that this was the most exposed this priceless spaceship will ever be. Which, of course, got me thinking. Could someone steal the Space Shuttle?

...Naturally, I couldn't quit thinking about it. After sketching out some bad ideas ... I think I came up with a viable plan, in seven steps.

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No problem. Just keep the whole public away from the route.

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It would have been easier to steal the thing when it was on the 747 as a certain Bond film showed.

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Is there an illustration anywhere that shows what the final Endeavour exhibit will look like?

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The California Science Center has not yet released any images of the vertical exhibit in the Samuel Oschin Air and Space Center opening in 2017, choosing to focus now on the debut of the display pavilion on Oct. 30.

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I think I recall reading they were going vertical with the tank and SRB, but the payload bay doors would be open so the installed Spacehab would be visible? If so, that seems really strange to me. The iconic launch configuration on the tank is bay doors closed. I would just display the payload separately.

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Wow-talk about overkill if they want the payload bay doors open too (also inaccurate, unless the stack is in the VAB or on the pad surrounded by the MSS prior to launch). Just display it vertical, doors closed, and add some lights and sounds to simulate a launch (with background video showing the real event); THAT would be impressive.

With Endeavour now in LA, all four orbiters are (or will be) displayed in different phases of a typical shuttle mission: Endeavour-on a launch stack; Atlantis-in orbit with payload doors open and RMS deployed; Enterprise-nose gear about to touch down; and Discovery-wheels stop. What a treat it will be to see all four like that!

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Yes, the plan is to display Endeavour vertically with the payload bay doors open, to show how cargo was carried inside.

To me, this idea immediately evokes the double exposure photo used as the inside cover on the presentation folder for the STS-8 flown philatelic covers. I was fascinated by that image when it first came out in 1983, and could easily see how a real-life recreation could be even more impressive.

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Fine with showing a Spacelab or other cargo, but why not place it alongside instead; after all, some 'civilians' (i.e. the general public) might be confused upon seeing the whole stack and noticing the doors open, then seeing photos/video of a shuttle launch and scratching their heads: 'Do they really open the doors during a launch?' Just my two cents

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Watch the move of Endeavour to its new home in a matter of minutes in this amazing time-lapse movie.

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California Science Center release
Space Shuttle Endeavour Grand Opening Ceremony

A Space Shuttle Endeavour Grand Opening Ceremony on Oct. 30 will formally inaugurate the Endeavour exhibition with remarks from NASA administrators and elected officials.

This private event and news conference will include a look at the Space Shuttle Endeavour exhibition which includes two galleries "Endeavour: The California Story" and "Space Shuttle Endeavour in the Samuel Oschin Pavilion."
The event will include dance performances choreographed by Debbie Allen and speakers, including:
  • President, California Science Center Jeffrey Rudolph
  • NASA Representative Administrator Charles Bolden
  • Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa
  • Inglewood Mayor James T. Butts

    Other astronauts in addition to Charles Bolden:

  • James M. Kelly
  • R. Shane Kimbrough
  • Leland D. Melvin
  • Barbara R. Morgan
  • Garrett E. Reisman

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Space shuttle Endeavour exhibit opens at California Science Center

Space shuttle Endeavour debuted on public display Tuesday (Oct. 30) at the California Science Center (CSC) in Los Angeles, where thousands turned out and lined up to be among the first to see the retired NASA orbiter inside its new home.

"Today, the Endeavour goes on display and the public can experience this landmark and the history of technology and space travel," L.A. Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa said in a ceremony that was staged and sat invited guests under the shuttle. "Visitors from up and down the Golden State, from all across the country, and from the four corners of the Earth will have a chance to share in the Endeavour experience."

"This isn't just a ribbon cutting for Endeavour's home, this is a ribbon cutting for the future of L.A.," Villaraigosa said.

For more photographs, see the gallery: Space shuttle Endeavour at the California Science Center

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Good that the science center is displaying some of Endeavour's 'innards' that would otherwise be left inside and unseen by the public.

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I like what they've done with their temporary display site.
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Good that the science center is displaying some of Endeavour's 'innards' that would otherwise be left inside and unseen by the public.
All I can think of was what my wife (who thinks space travel is cool but is no space nut by any standard) said immediately after I explained how the display would look: "But, people who don't know any better will see that and think they always launched them with the payload door open!"

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Wow. My first impression was that the temp facility was a bit barn-like, but I have to say I'm really impressed with the display. All the ancillary items really make it nice. Especially like the control center, the SpaceHab, tires, the 'Made in California..." section... this looks very educational.

In light of the issues with how Enterprise was displayed (and the unfortunate damage this week), I thought the Earthquake isolators were particularly interesting. They have clearly prepared to protect Endeavour from the local environmental hazards. Well done.

Kudos to the CSC!

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I have to say as well, job well done! I had in mind not to see the Endeavour until the final display was done (and it looks very impressive in the model). This may have changed my mind as I would like to see it in the display it is in now. Again, well done!

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I agree. It is a VERY nicely done display. Being able to go up underneath the orbiter is unique and if I get a chance to visit the museum, I'll likely be shooting a whole memory card worth of pictures of those bottom tiles alone (not to mention the ET cover doors as no other orbiter has those exposed in any of their displays to my knowledge.

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I agree. If the final display lives up to their current plans, it'll be fantastic. Personally I think it would have been more fitting to send Enterprise to California (as that's where the flight tests took place), but I'm glad to see how Endeavour is being displayed and treated.

Also I think having the payload bay doors open is a good idea. It would allow people to have a good look at the payload bay, which is something that is seldom seen. Especially since Endeavour's payload bay differs slightly from the rest of the orbiters.

Also remember, the payload bay doors -were- opened at the pad to allow installation of payload.

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Looks good however I'm not a fan of the galley and toilet being removed. Would you remove the pilots seat from The Spirit of St. Louis and display it separately? The Shuttles should be kept as intact as possible. Replicas and photographs can easily show what the interior looks like...

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I too am really impressed! Looks very similar to the Udvar-Hazy display.

I don't mind items being removed from the interior as long as they are kept close to the orbiter and preserved. I personally think it would be cool if items from the other historical aircraft were removed and displayed! But that's just me though.

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Keep in mind the galley, lockers, WCS and seats were removed between each and every flight. They were designed to be serviced separately.

The California Science Center plans to reconstruct the entire middeck outside of Endeavour, so that visitors can get a sense of the layout and size of the crew cabin.

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So just curious, were all three orbiters completely 'stripped' on the flight and middecks? Seats, toilet, galley, middeck lockers? I was wondering about that.

If the orbiters are to be sealed and never really opened again, I guess that would make sense, so the public can see these components. Were the three museums also awarded the internal components from their respective vehicles, or were those distributed separately?

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Discovery, the vehicle of record, has a complete crew compartment. Nothing was removed (only the Canadarm is displayed separately). Atlantis and Endeavour both had their galleys and toilets removed.

The museums had their choice as to what was to remain in the crew compartment and what was removed and shipped to them separately. Either way, they retained ownership of all the components.

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After seeing the Endeavour being driven through the streets of L.A. we need a shuttle driving simulator in addition to the flight simulators that are available. It would be challenging and fun.

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Not if its like the Super Shuttle which brought me from the autograph show to the Anaheim airport...

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Interest in seeing Endeavour at the California Science Center continues to be strong. The CSC reported that viewing tickets for tomorrow (Friday, Nov. 23) have sold out.

There's still a few days left where your tweets can raise $50 (toward $500,000) for Endeavour's permanent exhibit, the Samuel Oschin Air and Space Center.


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