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Topic: [Discuss] Artemis III (Orion/Starship HLS)
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Robert Pearlman
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From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 08-27-2022 08:47 PM
   
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Originally posted by 328KF:
...as if this is a requirement?
Because until this past week, NASA was never clear about the issue, so most in the press (myself included) assumed there was a requirement. On Friday (Aug. 19), during an Artemis briefing, Marcia Dunn with the Associated Press asked, "I know you mentioned the first woman is going to be on this crew, but we also keep hearing about the first person of color. Is that a requirement for the first landing crew? Is it a desire? Or it is TBD?" Mark Kirasich, NASA's deputy associate administrator for the Artemis Campaign Development Division, replied: So we know on the first mission, we're going to land a woman, and whether or not that woman will be a person of color or either of the two crew members will be a person of color, that's not a mandatory requirement for the first mission. It could happen. It could be one of the subsequent missions. |
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Member Posts: 1396
From: Vancouver, WA, USA
Registered: Feb 2012
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posted 08-27-2022 08:56 PM
I am getting a bit confused. With Artemis III using SpaceX's Human Landing System, will all four crew members land on the Moon, or will it be a lesser number. |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 54409
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 08-27-2022 09:13 PM
On all currently planned Artemis missions, two crew members will stay in orbit aboard Orion or, once deployed, Gateway, and two will descend to the surface. Eventually, once there is some type of architecture on the lunar surface (more than a lunar terrain vehicle), it's possible all four astronauts will land. |
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Member Posts: 1396
From: Vancouver, WA, USA
Registered: Feb 2012
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posted 01-30-2023 01:42 PM
Is a crew position on the Artemis III mission "reserved" for a Canadian or ESA astronaut?Just curious. |
Robert Pearlman
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From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 01-30-2023 01:58 PM
As of now, the Artemis III crew is expected to be all U.S. astronauts. |
Spaceflyer
Member Posts: 222
From: Nauheim, Germany
Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 01-31-2023 02:49 AM
ESA astronauts will fly on Artemis IV, V and VI. |
Delta7
Member Posts: 1773
From: Bluffton IN USA
Registered: Oct 2007
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posted 04-03-2023 12:45 PM
With the Artemis II now known, I suspect this means Randolph Bresnik will command Artemis III and land on the moon with... Anne McClain with her helicopter experience? |
Jim Behling
Member Posts: 1972
From: Cape Canaveral, FL
Registered: Mar 2010
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posted 04-03-2023 12:47 PM
Helicopter experience will not be needed. It will be automated like the Dragon spacecraft. |
Delta7
Member Posts: 1773
From: Bluffton IN USA
Registered: Oct 2007
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posted 04-03-2023 12:48 PM
Numerous NASA astronauts have been undergoing helicopter training specifically for that purpose. I've seen social media posts directly from astronauts including Reid Wiseman, Victor Glover, Christina Koch, Jessica Meir, and just a couple of days ago Raja Chari and Stan Love, about helicopter training in preparation for Artemis. I realize they won't be landing hands-on but apparently NASA considers that skill beneficial to a lunar landing assignment. It would follow that at least for the first landing they would have at least one crewmember with extensive helicopter experience. McClain fits the bill. Again, speculation... |
YankeeClipper61
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Registered: Jan 2016
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posted 04-04-2023 01:21 PM
Speaking of landing...How's the development of the new lander coming? |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 54409
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 04-07-2023 04:24 PM
See the updates under the SpaceX Starship and Super Heavy discussion thread. SpaceX is focusing on first getting its launch architecture flying before developing HLS-specific hardware. |
SpaceAholic
Member Posts: 5449
From: Sierra Vista, Arizona
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 08-09-2023 11:26 AM
Shocker (not): NASA's Artemis III mission might not involve a crewed landing. Jim Free, the space agency's associate administrator for the Exploration Systems Development Mission Directorate, told reporters in a briefing that certain key elements would have to be in place — notably the landing system that is being developed by SpaceX.Should that not be ready on time, "We may end up flying a different mission," he said. |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 54409
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 01-09-2024 12:45 PM
NASA today confirmed that the first crewed landing will take place on Artemis III, but has re-targeted the mission to September 2026. |
SpaceAholic
Member Posts: 5449
From: Sierra Vista, Arizona
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 01-10-2024 02:36 AM
Blue Origin has an opportunity to up its game; set the conditions for a subsequent decision to modify the flight test regime so that it preempts Starship as that HLS development continues to further slip right beyond 2026. |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 54409
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 03-11-2024 04:41 PM
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Originally posted by YankeeClipper61:
Speaking of landing...
According to today's FY 2025 NASA budget request, both the uncrewed demonstration of SpaceX's Starship HLS and the Artemis II crewed lunar landing at now both targeted for 2026. |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 54409
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Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 12-05-2024 12:18 PM
Per NASA Administrator Bill Nelson today: Assuming the SpaceX lander is ready, we plan to launch Artemis III in mid-2027. |
dom
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posted 03-21-2025 04:06 PM
NASA has dropped its longstanding public commitment to land the first woman and person of color on the moon, in response to Donald Trump's directives to eliminate diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) practices at federal agencies. The Artemis landing page of NASA's website previously included the words: NASA will land the first woman, first person of color, and first international partner astronaut on the Moon using innovative technologies to explore more of the lunar surface than ever before."The version of the page live on the website on Friday, however, appears with the phrase removed. NASA spokesperson Allard Beutel said in a statement emailed to the Guardian: "In keeping with the president's executive order, we're updating our language regarding plans to send crew to the lunar surface as part of NASA's Artemis campaign. We look forward to learning more from [and] about the Trump administration's plans for our agency and expanding exploration at the moon and Mars for the benefit of all." |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 54409
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 03-22-2025 06:30 AM
This is wrong on so many levels (not the article, but the policy), but I also have to believe the end result will be the same. There are enough members of Congress and White House spokespeople who have gone on record as saying they don't want to hand China any victories in space. So, if they hold to that, there is no way that the U.S. will cede the records of first woman, first person of color and first international astronaut on the moon to a Chinese mission. Besides, given the very capable members of NASA's current astronaut corps, I cannot imagine a mission today that doesn't reflect the diversity of not just the astronaut office, but American society at large. |
SpaceAholic
Member Posts: 5449
From: Sierra Vista, Arizona
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 03-22-2025 06:50 AM
The end result will be the most qualified fly the missions and that a color blind and gender agnostic process will be applied to not exclude or discriminate against candidates who are most prepared to serve as successful crew members simply because they were born with "incorrect" skin color or sex. As you stated the outcome will likely remain the same (a diverse crew). |
dom
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posted 03-22-2025 06:56 AM
Unfortunately, NASA doesn’t appear to be in the inspiration game anymore. I’m sure China will take up the challenge of impressing people of colour in Africa and encouraging young women to go into science careers by flying a woman to the moon. An own goal on the part of the United States once again… |
Space Cadet Carl
Member Posts: 308
From: Lake Orion, MI
Registered: Feb 2006
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posted 03-31-2025 05:08 PM
As of right now, I'm really concerned over rhetoric coming out of Washington DC that we'll just totally skip going back to the Moon with Artemis and instead concentrate on sending Americans straight to Mars. That type of talk seems preposterous to me. |
oly
Member Posts: 1489
From: Perth, Western Australia
Registered: Apr 2015
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posted 04-07-2025 05:26 AM
NASA is in no way prepared to go to Mars by skipping the whole learning to live on the Moon phase first. Things like learning to use suits outside for long duration/multiple use, in situ resource exploration, extraction, and development to make things like shelters and structures, and building habitats and communities are far easier when the destination is a few days away compared to a few months away. |
davidcwagner
Member Posts: 1115
From: Albuquerque, New Mexico
Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 04-07-2025 01:09 PM
It is not about Mars. Phobos and Deimos are the most important real estate in the solar system. Land on both in 2028, God willing.
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Blackarrow
Member Posts: 3828
From: Belfast, United Kingdom
Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 04-08-2025 12:16 PM
Over 40 years ago I made a bet with a fellow space enthusiast about the first human visit to Mars. The prize is a magnum of Dom Perignon champagne (at current prices probably around $400). He said that going to Mars is such a big deal that nobody would go all that way without attempting to land. I said the first visit would orbit Mars and make a landing on Phobos. There was a time when I was sure I would win (maybe posthumously!) but with the arrival of SpaceX, I'm not so sure now! But first the Moon! |
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Member Posts: 1396
From: Vancouver, WA, USA
Registered: Feb 2012
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posted 04-10-2025 05:03 PM
Any idea when the Artemis III crew will be named? |
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