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keith.wilson
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posted 08-06-2006 01:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for keith.wilson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The ISS-13 crew patch worn on the EVA suits by Reiter and Williams during the ISS EVA last week was the 'three flag' patch. The patch is visible in the following two photos: ISS013-E-63434, ISS013-E-63402.

Now if this doesn't make this patch 'official' I don't know what does.

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posted 08-06-2006 02:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I checked the high-resolution views of every picture that includes Reiter with Expedition 13 and the patch shown looks like a decal. Even the patch they wore on the EVA looks like a decal or silk screen on the beta cloth.

Maybe the crew couldn't get an embroidered patch either.

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posted 08-06-2006 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by KSCartist:
Even the patch they wore on the EVA looks like a decal or silk screen on the beta cloth.
To my knowledge, all modern EMU patches are silkscreened on a Beta cloth-like material (but not classic Beta cloth). They are in-turn attached to blank slave patches, which are sewn directly to the suit, so that the astronaut can retain his/her EVA emblems. Embroidered patches do not leave the inner cabin or station module.

Last I heard (last week), AB hasn't yet shipped their three-man version of the patch and I do not believe any were aboard STS-121. It will be interesting to see what appears after STS-115 comes and go from the station.

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posted 08-23-2006 03:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I received today a reply from NASA PAO regarding the ISS 13 patch and its different versions:
The graphic with the flag is the most official.

There were a couple of versions of the Expedition 13 crew patch because there were some changes, such as the addition of Thomas. The Astronaut Office approved the production order of the patch before the version with the German flag was realized.

Therefore, while the three-man, three-flag version is the "official" insignia, the three-man, two flag version is the "official" patch.

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posted 09-08-2006 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for keith.wilson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Expedition 13 crew have added their insignia to the collection of mission decals aboard the ISS.

Interestingly the Expedition 13 crew have added two decals to the collection — one with two flags and two names and a second with three flags and three names. The two flags and three name insignia is nowhere to be seen!

The ISS mission insignia can be viewed in the following NASA photo: ISS013-E-75815.

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posted 09-09-2006 07:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TRaimonde   Click Here to Email TRaimonde     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I stumbled upon an interesting variant of the Expedition 13 patch that I haven't seen documented any place else. It's a three name, two flag version, but the U.S. flag/stripe is not the stars and stripes, but three bands of red, yellow, and blue. The other flag/stripe is still the Russian flag.

I purchased it from the Space Store in Houston, who claims that AB supplies their patches. However, their website still has an image of the two name, two flag.

Does anyone know anything about this variant, or at least seen it elsewhere?

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posted 09-10-2006 07:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaceman   Click Here to Email spaceman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is an even clearer photo of the three-name/three-flag patch and here is one being autographed by Jeff Williams.

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posted 09-12-2006 08:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And here's the two flag/three name version onboard the ISS in what appears to be embroidered patch form.

lucspace
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posted 09-27-2006 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lucspace   Click Here to Email lucspace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just behind Anousheh, that's a three-name, three-flag embroidered version, isn't it? So who produced this, and is it available anywhere?

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posted 09-27-2006 02:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gator   Click Here to Email Gator     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Luc, those patches hanging up there was purchased from me. I was told they would be on board but really didn't believe the person was serious. Thanks for pointing them out.

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posted 12-10-2006 12:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for keith.wilson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
See this photo for a collection of patches related to Thomas Reiter onboard the ISS. [ISS014-E-08099 (22 Nov. 2006)]

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posted 08-10-2012 06:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voyager2012   Click Here to Email Voyager2012     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is there any way we can get the Expedition 13 with the blue border and the one with the red border? Where they ever sold to the public?

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posted 08-10-2012 06:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The red and blue bordered versions of the patch were produced by Alex Panchenko and offered to collectors (at a premium) through his website.

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posted 08-11-2012 04:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mama04   Click Here to Email mama04     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have duplicates if you are interested. Drop me an email. — Maarten

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posted 08-19-2012 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voyager2012   Click Here to Email Voyager2012     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Regarding the ISS Expedition 13 insignia, does anyone know if an official decal was ever made available for sale to the public of the three name, three flag variation? I do have the two name, two flag decal. That is all I have been able to find.

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posted 08-20-2012 03:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
With regard to the ISS-13 patch, which was designed by Pavel Vinogradov and arranged by Alex Panchenko, it is of interest to note that six versions exist (not counting the three yellow bordered AB Emblem versions).

First, there was the patch with only Vinogradov and Williams, with either a blue or a red border. Next, there was the patch including Reiter and the German flag, also with a red and a blue border. All four were manufactured by Dingsheng Fabric Co. in Taiwan.

Some years ago, most of Panchenko's patches that had been produced by Dingsheng, appeared on eBay in larger quantities on eBay, sold by a Chinese seller named 'ueleven11'.

At first, he did not have all versions of the Expedition-13 patch, but at one point, when more people had asked for the red and blue Reiter patches, he sudddenly had them available. These were not embroidered onto a black background, however, (like the original) but on a dark blue twill (version 5 and 6). I believe these are modern reproductions using the original embroidery program, mistakenly embroidered onto a wrong background color. Maybe the accompanying Soyuz TMA-8 patches caused confusion: these do have a blue background.

At one point in this discussion, Randy Hunt (Gator) chimed in and claimed that the Reiter patch seen in photography aboard ISS, was his product. I do not believe that. To me, it appears that this is the original Panchenko/Dingsheng patch (with the original black background).

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posted 08-20-2012 06:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KAPTEC   Click Here to Email KAPTEC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Voyager2012:
Regarding the ISS Expedition 13 insignia, does anyone know if an official decal was ever made available for sale to the public of the three name, three flag variation?
Have a look here...

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posted 08-22-2012 06:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voyager2012   Click Here to Email Voyager2012     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you KAPTEC. I saw those too but they are not the official NASA Spaceflight Awareness decals.

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posted 08-23-2012 04:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KAPTEC   Click Here to Email KAPTEC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know it, but which is the difference? The official NASA Spaceflight Awareness decals for Expedition 31 are NOT taken from the REAL artwork of the patch but from the NASA's own performance of it. Very far away from the real thing... (The crew did NOT wear AB Emblem patches during their launch.)

I am looking for the original artwork of the patches not the copies (made by NASA... or some one else).

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posted 08-24-2012 08:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jacques van Oene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by KAPTEC:
The official NASA Spaceflight Awareness decals for Expedition 31 are NOT taken from the REAL artwork of the patch but from the NASA's own performance of it.
Also the Expedition 31 SFA decal was NOT put up on ISS by the crew, for the first time the crew put up a NON SFA decal on ISS (a decal with the right artwork).

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posted 08-24-2012 10:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think KAPTEC made a typo and meant 13 instead of 31.

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posted 08-25-2012 10:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KAPTEC   Click Here to Email KAPTEC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No Erik: I meant 31 (thirty one). The patch adopted by NASA and the decal from SFA are not the original artworks of the same (you know it very well).

I took it as an example that not only SFA makes original decals/artworks... and theirs are -sometimes- wrong.

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posted 08-25-2012 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aha, okay! In that case, I have to correct you about the patches worn during launch. Zvezda did put AB emblem Expedition-31 patches on the Sokols. It was Kentavr who used our patches on the onboard suits. And indeed, the crew used the stickers that were personally printed by Jacques.

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posted 08-25-2012 01:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KAPTEC   Click Here to Email KAPTEC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oops!. Thank you for the clarification... Anyway, neither of any form, nor the AB patches nor the SFA decals they were the correct ones. It was that I wanted to say.

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posted 08-26-2012 02:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voyager2012   Click Here to Email Voyager2012     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just a quick question about the custom ISS Expedition 13 patches that were coordinated for sale by Tim Gagnon and Jacques van Oene in 2010 with the three flags/three crew names. Did this patch exist, meaning the one with the gold border, when Expedion 13 took place?

I know the artwork for it did, as well as the decal that is on board the ISS. As well as the three flag/three name patch with the red border and the one with the blue border. Also the two names/two flag patches with the red border and also the blue border. And finally the gold border with the two names/two flags and three names/two flags.

But what about three flags/three crew names with gold border? Thanks!

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posted 08-26-2012 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, it did not. But in my opinion, it should have been. The official artwork NASA has of the revised patch with yellow border, does include the German flag. Still, for some reason, they instructed AB Emblem only to add the name of Reiter, not the flag.

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posted 12-23-2012 10:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voyager2012   Click Here to Email Voyager2012     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anyone know how many red and blue border versions exist of the Expedition 13 patch?

I know there is a red border and a blue border variant with two names and two flags and the red and blue border variants with three flags and three names.

Were there any red and blue bordered versions with two flags and three names like the official gold border variants? Thanks!

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posted 12-23-2012 10:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No. The red and blue variants were all produced without NASA involvement and without their 'logic' to include the name, but not the flag.

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posted 12-23-2012 10:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KAPTEC   Click Here to Email KAPTEC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Voyager2012:
Were there any red and blue bordered versions with two flags and three names like the official gold border variants?
Not, as far as I know.


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