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Topic: Expedition 13 / TMA-8 patches
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pokey
Member Posts: 314
From: Houston, TX, USA
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted February 09, 2006 10:06 PM
   
The patch on Vinogradov's left chest is his personal patch. Not a Panchenko special. He's from Siberia. It's the earth from the vantage point of Siberia/Alaska with a star on his hometown. On the right is a polar bear with his front legs on the earth. Then there is the big dipper and Polaris star. I think it says in Russian Vinogradov and under then Pilot Cosmonaut. Saw it briefly a few weeks ago. IP: Logged |
Jacques van Oene
Member Posts: 465
From: Houten, The Netherlands
Registered: Oct 2001
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posted February 17, 2006 01:02 PM
Here a blown up version of Pontes' patch:  Also did anyone else see there are photos of Jeff Williams wearing a yellow/gold Exp-13 patch. So he is not wearing the blue Panchenko patch. Now is he wearing a AB Emblem or a Countdown Creations Exp-13 patch?   IP: Logged |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 12300
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted February 17, 2006 03:13 PM
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Originally posted by Jacques van Oene:
Now is he wearing a AB Emblem or a Countdown Creations Exp-13 patch?
We (Countdown Creations) didn't create a set of custom patches for the crew this mission and based on its appearance, I would say that is indeed AB Emblem's version.IP: Logged |
lucspace
Member Posts: 144
From: Hilversum, The Netherlands
Registered: Oct 2003
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posted February 22, 2006 03:35 PM
Hey guys, let's not get this Pontes personal patch thing get away from us. Anyone able to order the patch for a group of us from that Portugese laguage site?Thanks,
Luc IP: Logged |
spacesouppatches
Member Posts: 69
From: Dale Hollow area of Tennessee
Registered: Nov 2005
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posted February 23, 2006 12:02 PM
If no one can figure this out before March 1st, I have a friend coming from Brasil that will be here on a visit that day. I will ask if they can interpret the information on the site and find out about purchasing. If you want to be included in a purchase let me know by leaving a message through the "contact us" link at "spacesouppatches.com" Title your message Brasil Patches. It looks like two different patches are on the site a green and a white one. If they are available which one do you want or both. This is not a profit thing, so the cost will be the cost plus actual shipping. I do not speak Portugese so I cannot tell you anything about this site or cost until March 1st, when hopefully we should know what this site is communicating. I will communicate back when I have answers before ordering. As a side note this is my new website, it's not finished yet as I have a good 1500 more images to load into the picture gallery and loads of work to do on the forum. My patches are NOT for sale, only reference. My hope is to track your request for Brasil patches better through the site, rather than clutter and filter my normal email. Please be patient!
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spacesouppatches
Member Posts: 69
From: Dale Hollow area of Tennessee
Registered: Nov 2005
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posted March 02, 2006 09:54 PM
For those of you who left the message at my website the word is SUCCESS! Our patches are being shipped as we speak.By Brazilian friend interpreted the information provided. The site's English name is The "Space Connection". The first patch numbered "02" was the Astronaut of the Souther Hemisphere Marcos Pontes patch. The "04 Turma" ASCAN patch which the interpretation was "group" or in this case maybe "flock of Penguins". His English was good but as we all know some words are difficult between languages. The Company only ships to Brailian cities so the patches were being shipped to my friends family member in Brasil and then here to the US. I will contact you when they arrive. IP: Logged |
michaelSN99
Member Posts: 142
From: heilbronn,germany
Registered: Apr 2005
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posted March 04, 2006 02:41 PM
Has anybody already seen a personal patch of Thomas Reiter's long duration mission as part of Exp. 13?------------------
michael may
ISS information page + chronology of manned space flight IP: Logged |
KAPTEC
Member Posts: 149
From: Madrid, Spain
Registered: Oct 2005
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posted March 04, 2006 07:26 PM
Or has anyone seen the "new" Exp. 13 patch with Reiter's name on it?Kaptec IP: Logged |
MSS
Member Posts: 210
From: Kolo, Poland
Registered: May 2003
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posted March 11, 2006 02:11 AM
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Originally posted by michaelSN99:
Has anybody already seen a personal patch of Thomas Reiter's long duration mission as part of Exp. 13?
Here it is from the European Space Agency.------------------
Maciej,
Astronauts & Cosmonauts & their flights IP: Logged |
MSS
Member Posts: 210
From: Kolo, Poland
Registered: May 2003
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posted March 22, 2006 01:56 PM
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Originally posted by KAPTEC:
Or has anyone seen the "new" Exp. 13 patch with Reiter's name on it?
Here it is from NASA. ------------------
Maciej,
Astronauts & Cosmonauts & their flights IP: Logged |
Mystere
New Member Posts: 2
From: São Paulo, SP,Brasil
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted March 30, 2006 03:27 PM
Patch Missão Centenário. IP: Logged |
StarQuest
Member Posts: 13
From: Melle, Germany
Registered: May 2005
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posted April 01, 2006 06:42 PM
Can anyone tell us more about this new Expedition 13 Patch with Thomas Reiter's name? Will there also be a official patch and sticker and when will they released?------------------
"...to strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield." - Alfred Tennyson IP: Logged |
Harald Kraenzel
Member Posts: 136
From: Dinslaken,Germany
Registered: Nov 2005
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posted April 03, 2006 01:09 AM
If you have a look at Robert's statement at top of this page you can read the statement made by AB Emblem.Personally I know from AB Emblem that they are awaiting informations from NASA. After that there will be the normal process of approval by the astronauts which leads to the final version which will available for sale.
Concerning a date I have no idea because this depends on the time it needs for these steps. Harald IP: Logged |
Jacques van Oene
Member Posts: 465
From: Houten, The Netherlands
Registered: Oct 2001
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posted July 06, 2006 03:11 PM
The Expedition 13 patch and crew photo were updated by NASA and released.IP: Logged |
lucspace
Member Posts: 144
From: Hilversum, The Netherlands
Registered: Oct 2003
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posted July 06, 2006 03:27 PM
Interesting! Do we know if the crew took along copies of the new patch and who produced it and how do we get our hands on it?IP: Logged |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 12300
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted July 06, 2006 03:28 PM
AB Emblem has produced the new version of the patch (with Reiter) and it is available for order here.IP: Logged |
Bill Hunt
Member Posts: 221
From: Irvine, CA
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted July 06, 2006 04:17 PM
Nice that AB has the new one ready so quickly. Any idea when they'll produce the two new STS patches for the upcoming flights - the ones for which art was just released?------------------
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Tom
Member Posts: 816
From: New York
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted July 06, 2006 06:40 PM
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Originally posted by Jacques van Oene:
The Expedition 13 patch and crew photo were updated by NASA and released.
I'm kind of surprised they didn't design the patch showing the German flag originating from Florida.IP: Logged |
lucspace
Member Posts: 144
From: Hilversum, The Netherlands
Registered: Oct 2003
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posted July 07, 2006 01:09 AM
Robert, the patch version offered for sale has Reiter's name, but not the German flag... an artefact or is this the version actually produced?Luc IP: Logged |
Harald Kraenzel
Member Posts: 136
From: Dinslaken,Germany
Registered: Nov 2005
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posted July 07, 2006 01:31 AM
Seems that the patch looks like what AB Emblem tells about it:
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NASA has approved the Expedition 13 - 3 man crew emblem design adding the name Reiter in the lower part of the emblem. Thomas Reiter is joining the crew and will spend six months on the International Space Station. This brings the crew to three for the first time in three years. Other crew members already on station are Jeff Williams and Pavel Vinogradov.
Taking the two name version and add the name REITER. The patch shown on a NASA site is here Harald IP: Logged |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 12300
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted July 07, 2006 05:14 AM
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Originally posted by lucspace:
Robert, the patch version offered for sale has Reiter's name, but not the German flag... an artefact or is this the version actually produced?
The image of the patch was provided by AB Emblem however, I'll call them later today and inquire about the missing flag...IP: Logged |
lucspace
Member Posts: 144
From: Hilversum, The Netherlands
Registered: Oct 2003
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posted July 10, 2006 12:40 PM
So, Robert, any reply from AB Emblem?Luc IP: Logged |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 12300
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted July 13, 2006 07:19 PM
Between 121 mission briefings and other work, I haven't been able to discuss the patch with AB as of yet. We did receive in our order of ISS 13 patches today however they were still of the non-Reiter variety (despite being told by AB that they were shipping the revised patch). I intend to call tomorrow morning and will report what I learn.IP: Logged |
Bill Hunt
Member Posts: 221
From: Irvine, CA
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted July 13, 2006 07:47 PM
I've got my order in. I'd actually like a Reiter version patch without the German flag (as shown), and with one too if they update it.------------------
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Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 12300
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted July 14, 2006 02:03 PM
I spoke with AB Emblem today, which in turn spoke with NASA yesterday. Apparently, the insignia artwork which shows the German flag is not the official NASA emblem; it was only created/altered in honor of Reiter's launch. The official three-man insignia only adds Reiter's name and no other elements to the previously seen design. As such, AB Emblem's patch will only add Reiter's name. The version with the third flag will not be worn aboard the station nor ever produced as a patch, says AB Emblem. Regarding our shipment, we should be receiving in patches with Reiter's name within the next week or two. I will post when they become available. IP: Logged |
Harald Kraenzel
Member Posts: 136
From: Dinslaken,Germany
Registered: Nov 2005
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posted July 14, 2006 02:28 PM
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Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
The official three-man insignia only adds Reiter's name and no other elements to the previously seen design. As such, AB Emblem's patch will only add Reiter's name. The version with the third flag will not be worn aboard the station nor ever produced as a patch, says AB Emblem.
This information indeed is interesting as all pictures of the new three-man patch I saw as of today show this third flag. Just for official meetings or presentations this "three flag" patch is shown.Does anyone know a picture showing the patch AB Emblem now will make except the one shown on their internet site? Harald IP: Logged |
KSCartist
Member Posts: 1250
From: Titusville, FL USA
Registered: Feb 2005
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posted July 14, 2006 02:35 PM
It will be interesting to see if in any PAO event for the duration of Expedition 13 you see any or all crewmembers wearing a version with the German flag as well as Reiters name.This certainly adds a new and interesting wrinkle to patch collecting. Tim IP: Logged |
keith.wilson
Member Posts: 52
From: South Lanarkshire, Scotland
Registered: Jun 2002
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posted July 14, 2006 04:13 PM
Very strange indeed - I believe both AB Emblem and NASA PAO are wrong on this one!The 'official' photos of the insignia and the crew on NASA and ESA websites show the three flag patch. The NASA description actually states: 'with trailing elements from the country flags representing each of the THREE crew members'. The three flag patch is also visible in one of the recent downloaded photos from the ISS. The photo shows a welcome banner with the two flag insignia on the left and the three flag insignia on the right. See S121-E-05895 (6 July 2006) Decals of the three flag patch have been available to the crew but I haven't to date seen an embroidered three flag patch being worn by the crew. Keith IP: Logged |
KSCartist
Member Posts: 1250
From: Titusville, FL USA
Registered: Feb 2005
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posted July 14, 2006 05:26 PM
Keith-Thanks for the link to the photo. Robert- for once I have to disagree. The three name-three flag patch is on NASA TV, it's on NASA's website the crew is wearing it in the crew photo- it's on the welcome banner aboard ISS. That's enough proof for me to view it as official. Someone at AB Emblem has decided that it would be too costly to create new patches due to the time sensitive nature of crew patches in general IMHO. Somewhere, someone will produce a faithful good quality embroidered patch with all three flags, and when they do I'll buy one. Tim
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Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 12300
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted July 14, 2006 06:54 PM
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Originally posted by KSCartist:
Someone at AB Emblem has decided that it would be too costly to create new patches due to the time sensitive nature of crew patches in general IMHO.
While I can certainly see why this might be the perception, it does not work that way. NASA is AB Emblem's prime customer when it comes to these patches, and its the space agency which dictates what is to be produced and when (for proof of this, you only need to remember the recent delays experienced by AB Emblem delivering mission and expedition patches because NASA hadn't yet approved the artwork). That said, I did go back to AB Emblem today and provided them with evidence (some of which was raised by this thread) that their NASA contact is mistaken. I'll share how they respond, if and when they do. IP: Logged |
Harald Kraenzel
Member Posts: 136
From: Dinslaken,Germany
Registered: Nov 2005
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posted July 15, 2006 08:35 AM
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Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
NASA is AB Emblem's prime customer when it comes to these patches, and its the space agency which dictates what is to be produced...
That's exact what I was told so often by AB Emblem. NASA is telling them what they shall produce.Harald IP: Logged |
OV-105
Member Posts: 278
From: Ridgecrest, CA USA
Registered: Sep 2000
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posted July 21, 2006 12:58 AM
So any more from AB on the 3 flag 13 patch?IP: Logged |
johntosullivan
Member Posts: 64
From: Cork, Cork, Ireland
Registered: Oct 2005
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posted July 21, 2006 10:55 AM
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AB Emblem has produced the new version of the patch (with Reiter) and it is available for order here.
When I go to buySPACE today, the Expedition 13 patch for sale is 2-name, 2-flag.Was this changed in the last few days from the 3-name, 2-flag patch? The reason I ask is that I ordered the patch thinking I was getting the 3-name, 2-flag one. I received a 2-name, 2-flag version. And in my memory the 3-name, 2-flag was the one on the site last week. (Although, I can't be sure.) Your post above confirms that it was on the site. So was the site changed? If so, are Countdown Creations honoring orders made while the 3-name, 2-flag version was displayed? Bill Hunt says he ordered a 3-name, 2-flag version. What did you get Bill? Regards,
John P.S. Never mind the 3-name, 3-flag patch. That's another day's work! IP: Logged |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 12300
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted July 21, 2006 11:05 AM
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Originally posted by johntosullivan:
So was the site changed?
Yes, it was changed because our most recent shipment from AB Emblem included the 2-man, 2-flag variety as opposed to what we were expecting, the 3-man, 2 flag version. To avoid selling what we didn't have or shipping the wrong patch to those who wanted the other, we updated the site. As soon as the 3-man, 2 flag version is available, the site will be updated (again) and I'll post about it here. For those who already ordered and received a 2-man, 2 flag version and wanted a 3-man, 2 flag version based on what they saw on the site, we will send out free replacements. IP: Logged |
johntosullivan
Member Posts: 64
From: Cork, Cork, Ireland
Registered: Oct 2005
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posted July 21, 2006 11:12 AM
Thanks Robert for the prompt reply. I thought for while there that I was either losing my mind or seeing things!Look forward to the new patch. Thanks again, John
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Jacques van Oene
Member Posts: 465
From: Houten, The Netherlands
Registered: Oct 2001
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posted July 21, 2006 11:32 AM
Now there is still the question unanswered...Will AB make a 3 man, 3 flag version, yes or no? IP: Logged |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 12300
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted July 21, 2006 11:40 AM
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Originally posted by Jacques van Oene:
Will AB make a 3 man, 3 flag version, yes or no?
I'm waiting on responses from both AB and NASA on that now...IP: Logged |
keith.wilson
Member Posts: 52
From: South Lanarkshire, Scotland
Registered: Jun 2002
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posted August 06, 2006 01:22 PM
The ISS-13 crew patch worn on the EVA suits by Reiter and Williams during the ISS EVA last week was the 'three flag' patch. The patch is visible in the following two photos: ISS013-E-63434, ISS013-E-63402.Now if this doesn't make this patch 'official' I don't know what does. Any news Robert about the 'three flag' version of this patch being produced by AB Emblem? Keith IP: Logged |
KSCartist
Member Posts: 1250
From: Titusville, FL USA
Registered: Feb 2005
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posted August 06, 2006 02:30 PM
Thanks Keith for the info on the pictures of the EVA. I checked the hi-res views of every picture that includes Reiter with Expedition 13 and the patch shown looks like a decal. Even the patch they wore on the EVA looks like a decal or silk screen on the beta cloth.Maybe the crew couldn't get an embroidered patch either. Tim IP: Logged |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 12300
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted August 06, 2006 02:54 PM
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Originally posted by KSCartist:
Even the patch they wore on the EVA looks like a decal or silk screen on the beta cloth.
To my knowledge, all modern EMU patches are silkscreened on a Beta cloth-like material (but not classic Beta cloth). They are in-turn attached to blank slave patches, which are sewn directly to the suit, so that the astronaut can retain his/her EVA emblems. Embroidered patches do not leave the inner cabin or station module.Last I heard (last week), AB hasn't yet shipped their three-man version of the patch and I do not believe any were aboard STS-121. It will be interesting to see what appears after STS-115 comes and go from the station. (Heck, it will be interesting to see what arrives at Rocket Town, whenever the patches actually arrive from AB). IP: Logged |
