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Jacques van Oene
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posted 03-12-2005 09:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jacques van Oene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Now added to SpacePatches.nl are four STS-62A crew patch proposals by artist Tim Gagnon. Go to Patch Index, Space Shuttle, "Funny, Rare & Personal."

A: The Shuttle configuration is shown in profile during the first launch from Vandenberg AFB. in California, (V 1). The Earth is shown with the launch site and orbital path highlighted in gold. As in draft "B", the seven star constellation Ursa Minor represent the orbital path of the mission and the possible seven member crew. The names of the orbiter Discovery and crew surround the patch in a royal blue, white and gold band.

B: The orbiter Discovery is shown during its "V 1" launch, (first launch from Vandenberg AFB), as the SRBs separate from the configuration. The payload bay doors are hidden denoting this DOD mission. The "Northern Lights" and constellation Ursa Minor with the north star Polaris combine to illustrate the polar orbital path of this flight. The constellation has seven stars to represent the seven member crew. The names of the orbiter and crew surround the patch in a gold and red band.

C: The Shuttle and DOD mission is represented by an American Bald Eagle in its first launch from Vandenberg AFB. The Eagle holds a red, white and blue banner in its talons with the name of the orbiter Discovery and launch designation "V 1". There are seven stars in the sky to represent the possible seven member crew. The crew names surround the patch.

D: The Shuttle configuration is shown during its first launch from Vandenberg AFB in California, (V 1), rising over two spheres of the earth. The north pole on the left and the south pole on he right illustrate the orbital path of the mission. The name of the orbiter Discovery separates the Shuttle from the two spheres of the Earth. the names of the crew surround the patch in a blue, white and red band.

Note, on every patch I had the vehicle launching in the wrong direction. I had it going north instead of south. I'm sure they got a "chuckle" out of that.

Hart Sastrowardoyo
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posted 03-12-2005 11:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hart Sastrowardoyo   Click Here to Email Hart Sastrowardoyo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Neat! Next time someone sees Guy Gardner ask him if he recalls anything about 62A patch proposals (or show him the page) — I remember him writing me that they didn't finalize their patch at the time of 51L, so I'm curious as to whether they were narrowed down Tim's proposals or had considered others.
Note, on every patch I had the vehicle launching in the wrong direction. I had it going north instead of south.
There is no up or down in space. Secondly, I don't think the crew would have liked a shuttle nose down (or facing the bottom) in a patch... 'twould look like a dive bomber or the shuttle crashing.

Me, I would have had a joke patch consisting of either a round, black circle with nothing else or with just the crew names in subdued grey to signify the DoD mission....

Tom
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posted 03-12-2005 11:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tom   Click Here to Email Tom     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I really like the "B" version, showing the SRB's separating. Kind of looks like a DOD version of the STS-8 patch.

Tim, did Crippen ever get back to you indicating any preference of those four?

KSCartist
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posted 03-12-2005 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would love to know if any member of the 62A crew had a "favorite" or if any other proposals were under consideration. I never heard from Bob Crippen again. I did meet him at the rededication of the Astronaut Memorial in honor of the Columbia crew so it really wasn't the time or place to ask, "So Crip do you remember me designing your V1 patch? What did you think?"

Hart the reason north or south are important is because you don't want to have the SRB's come down on someone in the great north west. They would have launched south over the south east Pacific. I would have had the orbiter facing "up" but the Earth "upside down".

My favorite was the first one shown, the shield shape. It was the most original of the four. I designed "B" to resemble the STS-7 patch. "C" was going to continue the use of an Eagle on DoD missions and "D" was meant to resemble the STS-1 patch. I figured that if he liked that type of design before it might be accepted again. It was the first time the astronaut didn't say "No thanks". So all in all a good experience that helped me.

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posted 03-12-2005 09:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for OV-105   Click Here to Email OV-105     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I liked B the best.

mach3valkyrie
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posted 05-15-2012 08:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mach3valkyrie   Click Here to Email mach3valkyrie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As seen on eBay is this set of five patches relating to preflight and launch activities for the Discovery STS-62A mission that was to be the first shuttle launch from Vandenberg; cancelled after the Challenger disaster.

First time I've seen the patches for sale.

Anyone have any information to share regarding these patches? Manufacturer, how many made, etc.?


Editor's note: Threads merged.

hoorenz
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posted 05-16-2012 12:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Two different sets like this exist. The official set (I have only seen one of the patches from this set in 20 years of collecting) does not have the "Mission 62A" designation, but something like "Flow A".

If you are interested in original patches that were actually circulating at Vandenberg AFB at the time, the set with "Flow A" (or maybe it was "Flow B") is the one to go after.

The set shown earlier in this thread, is a souvenir set produced by Eagle One Aerospace ("the good Randy") in Virginia in the mid 1990's. These were available at the time for something like $5,95 each.

Kevin T. Randall
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posted 05-16-2012 12:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kevin T. Randall   Click Here to Email Kevin T. Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes Erik, it is "Flow A" which is on the original patches. They are also slightly smaller and have bare cloth backs to them, not plastic coated like the Eagle One Aerospace souvenir ones.

mach3valkyrie
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posted 05-16-2012 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mach3valkyrie   Click Here to Email mach3valkyrie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the info guys. I had seen the decals before, but not the patches.

hoorenz
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posted 05-17-2012 07:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It could very well be that only decals circulated at VAFB at the time and both patch sets were made after the fact...

Jim Behling
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posted 05-17-2012 12:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jim Behling   Click Here to Email Jim Behling     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by KSCartist:
I would love to know if any member of the 62A crew had a "favorite" or if any other proposals were under consideration.
The one with the seals.

KSCartist
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posted 05-17-2012 07:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The seals?

Jim Behling
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posted 05-17-2012 09:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jim Behling   Click Here to Email Jim Behling     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The pinnaped patch.

Liembo
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posted 10-11-2018 06:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Liembo   Click Here to Email Liembo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It looks like there's another reproduction set of the STS-1V/Mission 62A milestone patches out there.

Recently (early October 2018) the full set (sold as individual patches) from seller "Popular Patch" appeared. The quality is very high-fidelity, it takes a close look to see that they're not the ones from Eagle One Aerospace. The letter sizing is slightly larger, but most of the details are reproduced well. Plastic coated on back.

KSCartist
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posted 05-31-2021 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Announcing a new project.

In early 1985, I wrote to Bob Crippen requesting to design the patch for the STS-62A mission scheduled to launch from Vandenberg Air Force Base in California in the summer of 1986. He wrote back on May 16, 1985 with an invitation to submit some art. I was thrilled.

The crew would have been:

  • Bob Crippen, commander
  • Guy Gardner, pilot
  • Jerry Ross, Mike Mullane and Dale Gardner would have served as mission specialists.
  • Brett Watterson and Ed Aldridge, payload specialists
I submitted four designs but the mission was canceled after the Challenger tragedy.

About six years ago, my patch partner, Dr. Jorge Cartes, and I polished up my hand drawn art and released a set with (I think) an edition of 250. Through that effort I learned which design of the four was favored by the crew.

Well late last year I reached out to Jerry Ross and Mike Mullane via Facebook with an idea to finalize the patch design the way we would with crew input. This spring we did just that. I even shared the finished art with Bob Crippen via email and he was pleased wishing that they would have been able to fly.

My plan is to have the design made as an embroidered patch exactly as it would have been in 1986 with a separate sewn on tab for the payload specialist names.

The 35th anniversary of the mission is in July. If there is sufficient interest, I plan to unveil the patch at Spacefest. The price of the patch will be $6.25 (62A). For those who want it I will also offer a certificate suitable for signing for $10.

Are you interested?

KSCartist
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posted 06-05-2021 07:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for all who replied. The STS-62A crew-approved patch is "GO!"

The 35th anniversary of the launch is in July. I plan to unveil the actual patch at Spacefest July 15-18, 2021.

The patches are now in production. Please see here for ordering details.

Paul J. Brennan
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posted 06-05-2021 08:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Paul J. Brennan   Click Here to Email Paul J. Brennan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nice, just like old times!

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OK...I was a bit thrown by what seemed to be an equatorial orbit there for a second, then I caught the orientation of the Earth.

The Big Dipper also caught my eye, being that it was prominent in the STS-26 patch to honor the Challenger crew. But here it serves to point to Polaris, the North Star, in another nod to the near-polar orbit the mission would have taken out of Vandenberg.

Nicely done.

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posted 06-17-2021 03:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It was past time for an update. My wife and I went to Connecticut for a week to visit my best friend who was in the Cancer Center in New Haven. The good news is that he's going home today. He still has a big fight on his hands but he's stable enough to leave the hospital.

As for the patch.

They are in production and I expect to receive them just before I leave for Spacefest. So I wont be shipping orders until I return. Roughly the third week of July.

I think you'll all be pleased with them. I know it's satisfying to finally complete my first shuttle mission patch and I'm grateful to Mike Mullane, Jerry Ross and Bob Crippen for their help.

Kevin T. Randall
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posted 07-19-2021 01:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kevin T. Randall   Click Here to Email Kevin T. Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This new crew-approved 35th anniversary commemorative replica STS-62A patch has now been released. This patch has been manufactured by AB Emblem. It has been confirmed to have the following SKU patch design number and date code:
  • 432978 A-B Emblem Made In China 06/21 40

astro-nut
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posted 07-28-2021 03:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astro-nut   Click Here to Email astro-nut     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
GREAT JOB Tim with the STS-62A patch.

As always, great to meet with you and Lynn in person, at Spacefest, and talk about the space patches that you do an excellent job on!! Keep up the great work with the patches!!!

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posted 07-28-2021 03:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The pleasure was mine Dave. Thank you.

KSCartist
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posted 07-30-2021 09:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
About a month ago I received an order for a patch from Peter McCole. When he made his payment he didn't include his mailing address. I’ve emailed him twice without reply.

I'm assuming he saw the announcement on this thread and will see this post. The patch is ready to mail.

Also by the end of the weekend I'll have all of the larger patch orders ready to ship. Thanks.

Paul J. Brennan
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posted 07-31-2021 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Paul J. Brennan   Click Here to Email Paul J. Brennan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Received mine today - it looks great in person! Thank you Tim, Jorge, and the crew of STS-62A!

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posted 08-01-2021 10:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KAPTEC   Click Here to Email KAPTEC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Many thanks Paul!

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posted 08-01-2021 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Paul - I’m glad that you and the crew agree.

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posted 08-07-2021 04:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steven Kaplan   Click Here to Email Steven Kaplan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Received my patch and “crew photo” today — a great job by Tim and Jorge. The mock up photo is fun.

Opening up the manilla envelope from Tim took me back thirty years to getting those same color envelopes containing crew photos from JSC. Well done.

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posted 08-07-2021 05:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceCadet1983   Click Here to Email SpaceCadet1983     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well done on the STS-62A patch and photo, Tim and Jorge!

Kevin T. Randall
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posted 08-11-2021 05:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kevin T. Randall   Click Here to Email Kevin T. Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Received my two STS-62A patches, plus the two photos and two certificates today in the mail. Another fantastic job Tim and Jorge, many thanks.

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posted 07-14-2022 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Paul J. Brennan   Click Here to Email Paul J. Brennan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just saw this in an email from The Space Store:
Reproduction of this design from the source material was guided by David T. Pinson working with Justin Shaw and the AB Emblem design team. This is our best effort of a reproduction of this patch design, based on a crew photograph.

Interesting, but I certainly prefer Tim and Jorge's design based on the wishes of the crew.

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posted 07-14-2022 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Liembo   Click Here to Email Liembo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This patch was released by Dave Pinson, based on the concept artwork that was depicted on a cake in a photo of the proposed crew, you can see the photo over at Spacefacts.de.

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posted 07-14-2022 03:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kevin T. Randall   Click Here to Email Kevin T. Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have just heard back from The Space Store. They have not yet received the 40 patches they ordered from AB Emblem yet. They were shipped FedEx Ground today so won't arrive until after Tuesday 19th July.

The SKU patch design number and the date code details on the embedded label are;

  • 438863 A-B Emblem Made In China 07/22 01 (special order)

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The patch looks great, and its interesting to learn there was a design for the STS-62A mission. That said, it would be interesting to learn the reasoning behind some of the color choices for the patch, when comparing it to the cake.

It appears that on the cake the stars were a darker blue (and there were eight on the cake versus seven on the patch) and the three trails from the orbiter were a yellow-orange leading into a red plume (the white in the plume on the cake might be the underlying icing protruding through).

The border between Earth and space also appears to have been two colors on the cake and only one on the patch.

There also appears to be something on the cake in yellow next to the start of Crippen's name (maybe the astronaut symbol?) and some other elongated feature under the Gardner on the right in the same darker blue as the stars.

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This is David Pinson, who worked with AB Emblem to make the replica 62-A patch happen.

First, some brief background - I've been an avid collector of vintage and rare space patches since the 1990s, and while I love them all I have a soft spot for the pre-Challenger shuttle era (both from a history standpoint and a patch design stand point). In particular, I've always been fascinated with the missions that were cancelled after Challenger, especially the first SLC-6 launch from the west coast.

I've also loved all the creative 62-A patches that have been made and designed by folks on this forum. Speaking of which, I've been an active reader of this forum for a long time but I'm not really a social media person, so I've never posted anything.

But, regarding the 62-A patch, I was ecstatic when I stumbled across the photo above on the web showing the prime and backup crew members together with a "DRAFT" patch design on a cake. It obviously seemed authentic, but I reached out to Mike Mullane and asked him if he remembered anything about it. He responded to me that it was authentic, and it was actually taken at his old house in Houston! But he didn't recall the patch design or the event in question. He reached out to Jerry Ross who also didn't remember any specifics.

I asked Mike if he would be OK with me making a replica patch based on the design, and he was. So I proceeded from there to work with AB to make the best design possible given the blurry picture. It was a labor of love, and more than anything I wanted to be able to share the work I did with fellow collectors as another "what might have been" design, as close to vintage as possible.

As with any project, once you are done you see all the flaws or things you have missed and should have caught, but I hope that it hits the mark close enough to be enjoyed by all!

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David, I personally think you and AB Emblem did a great job on the STS-62A patch!

As an AFSPC member I was looking forward to the STS-62A flight and was greatly disappointed when it was cancelled. I also appreciate the extra effort you made to talk to the crew members to insure the patch's authenticity. Great work!

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I think the reason for eight stars is maybe for Watterson’s back up Michael R. Mantz? The real question is what kind of cake was it? Which brings up another cake question, what happened to the cakes that were on the table when they show the crew having their meal before the launch?

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Hello All!

This is David Pinson, who worked with AB Emblem to make the replica 62-A patch happen. First, some brief background - I've been an avid collector of vintage and rare space patches since the 1990s, and while I love them all I have a soft spot for the pre-Challenger shuttle era (both from a history standpoint and a patch design stand point). In particular, I've always been fascinated with the missions that were cancelled after Challenger, especially the first SLC-6 launch from the west coast. I've also loved all the replica patches that have been made and designed by folks on this forum. Speaking of which, I've been an active reader of this forum for a long time but I'm not really a social media person, so I've never posted anything. But, regarding the 62-A patch, I was ecstatic when I stumbled across the photo above on the web showing the prime and backup crew members together with a "DRAFT" patch design on a cake. It obviously seemed authentic, but I reached out to Mike Mullane and asked him if he remembered anything about it. He responded to me that it was authentic, and it was actually taken at his old house in Houston! But he didn't recall the patch design or the event in question. He reached out to Jerry Ross who also didn't remember any specifics. I asked Mike if he would be OK with me making a replica patch based on the design, and he was. So I proceeded from there to work with AB to make the best design possible given the blurry picture. It was a labor of love, and more than anything I wanted to be able to share the work I did with fellow collectors as another "what might have been" design, as close to vintage as possible. As with any project, once you are done you see all the flaws or things you have missed and should have caught, but I hope that it hits the mark close enough to be enjoyed by all!

Dave

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