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stsmithva
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posted 03-03-2012 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stsmithva   Click Here to Email stsmithva     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by David Carey:
A recent eBay purchase turned out to be an interesting and perhaps favorable gamble.

That's some fine analysis. I noticed the same badge and in fact used the same high-resolution image as I considered bidding. My wife asked why the heck I was tilting the screen on my laptop up and down as I tried to find the precise angle to most favorably view the close-up of the typing on Agnew's badge. I decided not to bid, but maybe if I'd compared the angle of the typing as you did I would have.

I noticed that the listing said something like "this is part of a large collection of presidential items we recently purchased." You might want to ask the eBay seller if they can give you any details. If there were several other rare items from the Nixon administration, especially from Agnew specifically, that would help lend credence to its provenance.

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posted 03-04-2012 12:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 413 is in   Click Here to Email 413 is in     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by David Carey:
A recent eBay purchase turned out to be an interesting and perhaps favorable gamble.

Had my eye on this one also. I was trying to be good (and actually succeeded at that) and decided not to bid. I have a vintage copy of the original NASA B/W photo above (Photo No. 108-KSC-69P-625). Although the original resolution is not that great when focusing on just the badge itself, I did make a quick scan of the badge in question and played around with the contrast a bit:

If you would like to experiment with the image yourself, just send me an email and I'll send a large copy.

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posted 03-04-2012 02:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for David Carey   Click Here to Email David Carey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by stsmithva:
You might want to ask the eBay seller if they can give you any details.

I'll ask Steve, but may not have much luck as the seller's other VP item listings state:

These are part of a large lot of Vice Presidential / Presidential / NASA/Apollo collection that we recently acquired. We do not have any paperwork to substantiate this but, they are from the estate of a friend of the former Vice President that was given/bought the items from him/his estate.

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Originally posted by 413 is in:
I did make a quick scan of the badge in question and played around with the contrast a bit:

Thank you for this, Bill.

Also, thanks to J.L. Pickering, here is another image (AS11-0922-69P-642) composited and modified to enlarge the badge.

The aberration in the 's' of 'President' seems to me best visible in these last two images and is aligned just below the 'S' of "Space Center" at the top of the badge, consistent with the item acquired on eBay.

Joel Katzowitz
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posted 03-04-2012 08:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Joel Katzowitz   Click Here to Email Joel Katzowitz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is some great detective work by all of you. To me, that is the stuff that really makes this hobby fun.

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posted 03-04-2012 10:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for p51   Click Here to Email p51     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just curious as to what current NASA ID's look like? I was putting together a fake one for a Halloween costume last October but couldn't find much.

Just mostly wondering as I always wonder how close ID cards and tags in movies get. I know the Armageddon ones were WAY off, I have one from that movie and it looks like someone made from stuff at a local craft store in 10 minutes.

ilbasso
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posted 03-05-2012 07:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ilbasso   Click Here to Email ilbasso     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For security reasons, government employees (or any employees, for that matter) are not supposed to photograph their ID badges. When I toured JSC a couple of years ago with my nephew, I took several photos of him and me together. He asked me to Photoshop out the detail that appeared on his badge in the photos.

ilbasso
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posted 03-05-2012 08:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ilbasso   Click Here to Email ilbasso     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Killed time this morning by assembling this little collage - Firing Room/OMR/OSR badges for as many Saturn IB and Saturn V missions as I could muster. Still woefully incomplete (what's with the paucity of Apollo 10 Firing Room badges?), but it is what it is. Click on image for a larger version. Enjoy!

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posted 03-05-2012 08:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 413 is in   Click Here to Email 413 is in     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is what it is, and it's a beautiful thing. Nice collection, Jonathan! The Apollo 10 variants are out there. I've seen some over the years (Limited, Secondary), but only have a Permanent FR in my collection as well. I'll send you some pics of the Apollo 10's from my historical sales archives.

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posted 03-06-2012 03:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for freshspot   Click Here to Email freshspot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Those badges look great all lined up like that. Thanks for sharing. I've got a few dozen random Apollo access badges in my collection that I've casually amassed over the years. But I am not a completist in this area - I just have them as examples.

However, I do have an Apollo 10 Secondary Firing Room Access badge that I'd consider trading if anyone is interested. Contact me via email.

p51
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posted 03-06-2012 10:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for p51   Click Here to Email p51     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ilbasso:
For security reasons, government employees (or any employees, for that matter) are not supposed to photograph their ID badges.
Yeah, that's fair. I'm a former Army officer so I get the whole security thing. That said, I assume people here do know what the current ones look like, and I was wondering how badly movies botch them?

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posted 03-07-2012 04:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ilbasso   Click Here to Email ilbasso     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The ones I saw looked very similar to other military or Government ID's that I have seen recently, including the "smart chip."

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posted 03-08-2012 12:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 413 is in   Click Here to Email 413 is in     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by p51:
Just mostly wondering as I always wonder how close ID cards and tags in movies get.
Here's Bill Paxton's MSC prop badge from the Apollo 13 movie:

I'd say that this a very reasonable facsimile of an actual period MSC photo ID badge. Ron Howard was quite the stickler in adhering to the fine visual details in this movie.

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posted 03-18-2012 04:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rlandmann   Click Here to Email rlandmann     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've seen the phrase "Temporary Mission Decal" on some Apollo-era passes. Can anyone please shed any light on the significance of those words?

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posted 03-18-2012 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jay Chladek   Click Here to Email Jay Chladek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by 413 is in:
Here's Bill Paxton's MSC prop badge from the Apollo 13 movie
Somebody needs to let Freddo borrow that to wear for a day and see if anyone notices the photo doesn't match.

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posted 03-23-2012 11:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ilbasso   Click Here to Email ilbasso     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by rlandmann:
I've seen the phrase "Temporary Mission Decal" on some Apollo-era passes. Can anyone please shed any light on the significance of those words?
Temporary Mission Decals were passes that were issued to workers for access to the launch vehicle, Launch Utility Tower, Mobile Service Structure, and pad. As the name "temporary" implies, they had to be signed out for specific need and for a specified period of time.

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posted 03-30-2012 06:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bnault   Click Here to Email bnault     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a question about the color of the Apollo 11 Launch Guest badges.

I have seen two different colors: one has a gray background color. The other has a light blue background.

At first, I thought the gray ones were discolored blue ones. But now, having seen many specimens, I believe both colors exist.

Can anyone confirm this? Does anyone know the reason for the two colors?

Editor's note: Threads merged.

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Reading the thread, it confirms that the two colors are real. But it is still unclear what the color difference means...

Anyone know?

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posted 03-30-2012 10:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for David Carey   Click Here to Email David Carey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Darker/deeper blue seems to be the "VIP" version, and the gray(er) variant formed the balance of the badges issued, at least based on what I've come to understand.

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posted 04-05-2013 09:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CMikeW     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Does anyone know what "APIP" stands for on the pictured Apollo 17 Area Permit?
Just to help out a bit. APIP stood for Apollo Personnel Investigation Program.

If I recall correctly that all personnel who actually worked on the Apollo vehicles had to have passed the APIP investigation before they actually could work on the vehicles.

This meant hands-on or conducting testing. NASA wanted to be sure everybody who worked on the vehicle didn't have a drinking or drug problem, excessive debt, or too many traffic tickets.

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posted 06-02-2013 11:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dtemple   Click Here to Email dtemple     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just obtained an Apollo 4 press access badge from another collectSPACE member. It was issued to Al Bishop with RCA. Why would an RCA employee be issued a PRESS badge?

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posted 06-04-2013 11:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cozmosis22     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The RCA guy could have been assigned to "man the booth" so to speak at the ACIC (Apollo Contractors Information Center)? The official press/industry publicity hangout was located off-base at the Convention Center of the Atlantis Beach Lodge. Only press-credentialed persons were admitted there pre-launch and during the missions. Not sure of this but one of the perks of working the ACIC could have been getting onto KSC for launch day. Yay!

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According to his obituary, from 1965-1968, Bishop was employed by the RCA corporation out of Van Nuys CA. While there he established a corporate public relations office at Cape Canaveral for RCA's involvement in the Apollo/Saturn program.

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posted 06-05-2013 09:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dtemple   Click Here to Email dtemple     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the responses to my question regarding my RCA Apollo 4 press access badge!


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