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T O P I C R E V I E WmichaelSN99hi everybody...can everybody of the guys here, close to the cape or houston, explain, why the original sts-114-ET was testet for a second fueling test.wouldīnt it be more logical to perform this test with the tank wich is now scheduled for flight in july ??i guess it should be much more safe to know how the critical valves and sensors that failed at the first test are working at the real flight hardware ???------------------michael may www.ag-99.de/spacenet/main/main.html BenTo the second part first: they are debating whether to test the second tank as well when Discovery treks back out to the pad. They are expect to make that decision this coming week. Two options include testing it on the pad and delaying the launch a few days; or conducing the second test during the countdown, two days before launch (a simulated scrub and 24 hour turnaround).Why did they test the first one again? Well, for one thing it saved a lot of time, since they weren't going to roll Discovery back right away. Do a second test then instead of late June or early July, which would have been on top of an already very tight schedule.So while it sat at the pad waiting to swap tanks in the VAB, they performed a second test to further understand problems encountered in the first test.Also, it was possible that the first tank was experiencing those cycling problems because of a flaw in that particular tank, rather than the design. So conducing the test with the same tank helped validate that theory; and indeed they now believe they understand why.-------------------Benwww.LaunchPhotography.commichaelSN99hi ben,thank u very much for this really interesting informations....i knew u would be the one , who can tell us the detailled stories from capesometimes iīm envying you...i guess ;-)by the way....are there any plans using the original sts-114 tank for a futher flight ???------------------michael may www.ag-99.de/spacenet/main/main.html BenET-121, which was to fly on STS-121, is now being attached to Discovery and she will fly with that on STS-114.ET-120, which they just took off Discovery, has no plan right now. Scenarios NASA said include sending it back to Michoud, I believe.ET-119 is the third of the new tanks to come from Michoud, and is scheduled to be shipped to KSC June 9. Right now, NASA is saying "Atlantis STS-121 will likely fly with ET-119" but no decision has been made formally yet.I can't imaging wasting ET-120 but who knows. I don't think they have decided (formally) anything other than that Discovery 114 will fly with 120. Confusing? Yes! :-)-------------------Benwww.LaunchPhotography.com[This message has been edited by Ben (edited June 05, 2005).]michaelSN99yes very confusing everything...and i am afraid, now after the first launch attempt, frustrating too !!!its seems that the fuel sensor problem never have been really resolved, despite of changing the ETīs.instead it was categorized as an "unexplained anomaly".if the proper working of these four sensors are so important during launch, how could it work to go thru a countdown with no idea, what triggered the earlier failure.it seems, that also a sensor box plays an important role in troubleshooting the sensor problem.the so called "point sensor box" even have been replaced more than one time after the april 14 th tanking test, when two of the sensors already failed.does anybody have more informations about the case, that could explain what happend and why the engineers considered the problem as an unresolved anomaly and tried to take off despit this ?????????------------------michael may www.ag-99.de/spacenet/main/main.html [This message has been edited by michaelSN99 (edited July 13, 2005).]Robert PearlmanNASA Administrator Michael Griffin said in a press conference today that testing the tank would not have caught this. More details after the 4:30p.m. EDT press conference.[This message has been edited by Robert Pearlman (edited July 13, 2005).]michaelSN99so to me it seems, that it would have been a good idea to perform a second fueling test with the new ET-120 long before trying to launch the bird today.------------------michael may www.ag-99.de/spacenet/main/main.html zee_aladdinI agree with you OV-105This is starting to look like the summer of 90 with STS-35 and STS-38 and the Hydrogen leaks.
can everybody of the guys here, close to the cape or houston, explain, why the original sts-114-ET was testet for a second fueling test.
wouldīnt it be more logical to perform this test with the tank wich is now scheduled for flight in july ??
i guess it should be much more safe to know how the critical valves and sensors that failed at the first test are working at the real flight hardware ???
------------------michael may www.ag-99.de/spacenet/main/main.html
Two options include testing it on the pad and delaying the launch a few days; or conducing the second test during the countdown, two days before launch (a simulated scrub and 24 hour turnaround).
Why did they test the first one again? Well, for one thing it saved a lot of time, since they weren't going to roll Discovery back right away. Do a second test then instead of late June or early July, which would have been on top of an already very tight schedule.
So while it sat at the pad waiting to swap tanks in the VAB, they performed a second test to further understand problems encountered in the first test.
Also, it was possible that the first tank was experiencing those cycling problems because of a flaw in that particular tank, rather than the design. So conducing the test with the same tank helped validate that theory; and indeed they now believe they understand why.
-------------------Ben
www.LaunchPhotography.com
thank u very much for this really interesting informations....i knew u would be the one , who can tell us the detailled stories from cape
sometimes iīm envying you...i guess ;-)
by the way....are there any plans using the original sts-114 tank for a futher flight ???
ET-120, which they just took off Discovery, has no plan right now. Scenarios NASA said include sending it back to Michoud, I believe.
ET-119 is the third of the new tanks to come from Michoud, and is scheduled to be shipped to KSC June 9. Right now, NASA is saying "Atlantis STS-121 will likely fly with ET-119" but no decision has been made formally yet.
I can't imaging wasting ET-120 but who knows. I don't think they have decided (formally) anything other than that Discovery 114 will fly with 120.
Confusing? Yes! :-)
[This message has been edited by Ben (edited June 05, 2005).]
its seems that the fuel sensor problem never have been really resolved, despite of changing the ETīs.instead it was categorized as an "unexplained anomaly".
if the proper working of these four sensors are so important during launch, how could it work to go thru a countdown with no idea, what triggered the earlier failure.
it seems, that also a sensor box plays an important role in troubleshooting the sensor problem.the so called "point sensor box" even have been replaced more than one time after the april 14 th tanking test, when two of the sensors already failed.
does anybody have more informations about the case, that could explain what happend and why the engineers considered the problem as an unresolved anomaly and tried to take off despit this ?????????
[This message has been edited by michaelSN99 (edited July 13, 2005).]
[This message has been edited by Robert Pearlman (edited July 13, 2005).]
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