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T O P I C R E V I E WKeith BarberTelegraph: Winston Churchill walked on moon, say pupils quote:One in three primary school pupils believe that Sir Winston Churchill was the first man to walk on the moon, according to a survey.The children, aged between four and ten-years-old, confused the war time Prime Minister with the American astronaut Neil Armstrong, despite the fact they were born in different centuries and different countries.cspg Revisionists have a great future....Chris.East-FrisianAnd now I know, why the lunar surface is dusty. It was Sir Winston Churchills cigar.gliderpilotukFrankly, I'm surprised that they even know that a man called Churchill existed, given edukayshun's political correctness and the "shame" of teaching ENGLISH history.PaulDavidHSome don't.------------------ All These Worlds Space Blog | Hatbag.net "America's challenge of today has forged man's destiny of tomorrow." - Commander Eugene Cernan, Apollo 17 Mission, 11 December 1972issman1It's nothing to do with "political correctness". It's everything to do with political ignorance.Most UK kids are preoccupied with things other than space travel, astronomy or UK history! I blame the government which devised the national cirriculum. If it bothered to promote space sciences as a serious subject, kids would know Armstrong from Churchill.What is more of a worry to me is that many people in the UK honestly believe the Apollo missions were faked!divemasterWell, we can either BLAME Francis French or tell him that he needs to get back to work. mikepfLets give them some credit for at least knowing that SOMEBODY walked on the moon. MikieFFrench quote:Originally posted by Smartass Tracy: Well, we can either BLAME Francis French or tell him that he needs to get back to work. But I haven't worked in space education in the UK for 12 years now. All those kids are already in college. So it must have all gone downhill after I left... Steve ProcterIt's brought up a vision in my head...Winston Churchill doing a lunar EVA with a bowler hat on top of his helmet in one glove he holds a large cigar and the other holding up two fingers in a 'V' sign.Anyone care to play around with Photoshop or similar and come up with it? StevepoofacioIn a recent survey 4% answered the Question "What is 10% of 150" incorrectly.And they were Maths teachers.The once great England is now a sad little country run by the great unwashed for the great unwashed.bruceGood one Tracy ...Brucemjanovec quote:Originally posted by Steve Procter:It's brought up a vision in my head...Winston Churchill doing a lunar EVA with a bowler hat on top of his helmet in one glove he holds a large cigar and the other holding up two fingers in a 'V' sign.Anyone care to play around with Photoshop or similar and come up with it?Sadly, I couldn't find any photos of Churchill on the lunar surface. It appears his LMP, Clement Attlee, didn't take his photo during the EVA. Some guess that he did it out of spite, because Churchill was first on the surface (and therefore was more likely to be remembered by history).Attlee did take Churchill's photo later, after the EVA, while the two sat in the LM. gliderpilotuk quote:Originally posted by issman1:What is more of a worry to me is that many people in the UK honestly believe the Apollo missions were faked!"People" meaning adults, maybe, but not kids. I doubt many children are indoctrinated with a belief that the moon missions were fake (at least not in my son's primary school). This seems to come later in life when people with too much time on their hands subscribe to conspiracy websites and third rate TV shows.Regardless of what you think about the national curriculum, there just isn't time to teach everything, so a decision has to be made about (a) what period of history to cover and (b) WHOSE history to cover, as the current emphasis is on "other cultures". When I was in school history "ended" in 1918 (and I'm not that old!). Arguably the space program doesn't fit neatly into history modules and a new subject of C20th technology/exploration should be developed, but let's get Churchill's place in history sorted first.PaulDelta7He might have said "Never have so few taken such a large step for so many. Haarrrumph!"FFrench quote:Originally posted by Delta7:He might have said "Never have so few taken such a large step for so many." That quote, and the photo on this thread, are a very clever and excellent combination! Good job!And it is very true - both in the UK and US - that mandatory curricula can limit the amount that even the best teachers can fit in about history in general, never mind space history. It will come as no surprise that I believe that this is where the museum and science center community has a vital part to play, both for school field trips and in encouraging families to visit on weekends and all learn together. Educational opportunities are vital for people of all ages.BlackarrowAre there any reports of American school children believing that John F Kennedy was the first man on the Moon? That would be a little easier to understand. After all, Kennedy would only have been 52. Churchill would have been 94, an age at which most astronauts have retired.
quote:One in three primary school pupils believe that Sir Winston Churchill was the first man to walk on the moon, according to a survey.The children, aged between four and ten-years-old, confused the war time Prime Minister with the American astronaut Neil Armstrong, despite the fact they were born in different centuries and different countries.
The children, aged between four and ten-years-old, confused the war time Prime Minister with the American astronaut Neil Armstrong, despite the fact they were born in different centuries and different countries.
Revisionists have a great future....
Chris.
Paul
------------------ All These Worlds Space Blog | Hatbag.net "America's challenge of today has forged man's destiny of tomorrow." - Commander Eugene Cernan, Apollo 17 Mission, 11 December 1972
Most UK kids are preoccupied with things other than space travel, astronomy or UK history! I blame the government which devised the national cirriculum. If it bothered to promote space sciences as a serious subject, kids would know Armstrong from Churchill.
What is more of a worry to me is that many people in the UK honestly believe the Apollo missions were faked!
Mikie
quote:Originally posted by Smartass Tracy: Well, we can either BLAME Francis French or tell him that he needs to get back to work.
Winston Churchill doing a lunar EVA with a bowler hat on top of his helmet in one glove he holds a large cigar and the other holding up two fingers in a 'V' sign.
Anyone care to play around with Photoshop or similar and come up with it?
Steve
And they were Maths teachers.
The once great England is now a sad little country run by the great unwashed for the great unwashed.
Bruce
quote:Originally posted by Steve Procter:It's brought up a vision in my head...Winston Churchill doing a lunar EVA with a bowler hat on top of his helmet in one glove he holds a large cigar and the other holding up two fingers in a 'V' sign.Anyone care to play around with Photoshop or similar and come up with it?
Sadly, I couldn't find any photos of Churchill on the lunar surface. It appears his LMP, Clement Attlee, didn't take his photo during the EVA. Some guess that he did it out of spite, because Churchill was first on the surface (and therefore was more likely to be remembered by history).
Attlee did take Churchill's photo later, after the EVA, while the two sat in the LM.
quote:Originally posted by issman1:What is more of a worry to me is that many people in the UK honestly believe the Apollo missions were faked!
"People" meaning adults, maybe, but not kids. I doubt many children are indoctrinated with a belief that the moon missions were fake (at least not in my son's primary school). This seems to come later in life when people with too much time on their hands subscribe to conspiracy websites and third rate TV shows.
Regardless of what you think about the national curriculum, there just isn't time to teach everything, so a decision has to be made about (a) what period of history to cover and (b) WHOSE history to cover, as the current emphasis is on "other cultures". When I was in school history "ended" in 1918 (and I'm not that old!). Arguably the space program doesn't fit neatly into history modules and a new subject of C20th technology/exploration should be developed, but let's get Churchill's place in history sorted first.
quote:Originally posted by Delta7:He might have said "Never have so few taken such a large step for so many."
And it is very true - both in the UK and US - that mandatory curricula can limit the amount that even the best teachers can fit in about history in general, never mind space history. It will come as no surprise that I believe that this is where the museum and science center community has a vital part to play, both for school field trips and in encouraging families to visit on weekends and all learn together. Educational opportunities are vital for people of all ages.
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