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SpaceX update
Launch rehearsal complete.

During a flight-like countdown, more than 5,000 metric tonnes (11+ million pounds) of propellant were loaded on the fully stacked Starship and Super Heavy V3 vehicles for the first time.

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SpaceX is targeting as early as Tuesday (May 19) for the 12th flight test of Starship from Starbase.

Update: The launch is now as soon as Thursday, May 21 at 5:30 p.m. CDT.

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SpaceX update
On track for today's Starship flight test. The launch window is from 5:30 p.m. CT to 7 p.m. CT and live coverage starts about 45 minutes before launch.

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Standing down from today's launch attempt. From Elon Musk:
The hydraulic pin holding the tower arm in place did not retract.

If that can be fixed tonight, there will be another launch attempt tomorrow [Friday, May 22] at 5:30 CT.

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posted 05-22-2026 05:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Watch Starship's twelfth flight test:

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Not perfect, but a very impressive recovery allowing an on-target splashdown. I suspect SpaceX got more useful data than on a nominal 6-engine Starship burn.

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It is easy for one to be cynical and pessimistic about Starship than hopeful and optimistic.

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If nothing else, Flight 12 produced some pretty pictures:

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SpaceX is targeting as early as Thursday, July 16 for the 13th flight test of Starship from Starbase. The 90-minute launch window will open at 5:45 p.m. CDT.

A live webcast of the flight test will begin about 30 minutes before liftoff.

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A hold was triggered just as the engines were beginning to ignite.
Standing down from today's flight test attempt.

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From Elon Musk:
Some of the engines didn't start, triggering an automatic launch abort. Now offloading propellant.

Next launch attempt hopefully in a few days.

Update from Elon Musk:
To be confident of a good flight, two Raptors will be removed and replaced. Most probable launch timing is early next week.

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I find it concerning that two Raptor 3 engines that apparently worked perfectly on a long full-thrust static firing failed to ignite at or about T-0 (after an apparently trouble-free countdown). It suggests a long slog before the degree of reliability which will be required for a crewed lunar landing which, we are now told, will take at least 32 successful launches in fairly quick succession: 16 for the demonstration landing and 16 for Artemis IV. And all this by 2028?

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I have yet to see any multi-engined vehicle have a 100% engine start reliability rate.
Having previously worked with large fleets of aircraft, we could almost guarantee that at least one engine would experience a start failure when we needed it most.

A major reason that the lunar module ascent module used a hypergolic motor was to remove as many parts and points of failure from the start sequence, to reduce the chance of failure to start to get the astronauts off the moon.

How many times has SpaceX experienced an engine out or a failure to restart from the Raptor during their test flight campaign? Getting all required engines to start on demand was always going to be a steep learning curve, and something SpaceX has said that they have tried to build in some level of redundancy.

The automated shutdown was a positive display that the system is capable of performing a launch abort so late into the launch sequence.

I am sure SpaceX is happier about this experience than Blue Origin is about its recent New Glenn experience.

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As the saying goes... It Is Rocket Science. It is hard.

We are talking a revolutionary machine here, with revolutionary rocket engines. At the end of the day, it would be nice to beat China back to the Moon, but it is not necessary. What is necessary is a reliable reusable rocket, that allows the USA to put a lot of mass on the Moon. Given SpaceX's track record with Falcon 9, I believe they'll figure it out.

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I have yet to see any multi-engined vehicle have a 100% engine start reliability rate.

Can you elaborate a little on what you mean here? Almost every rocket is multi-engine.

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If we were only talking about the development of a new super heavy-lift reuseable booster, I would say SpaceX has made remarkable and astounding progress. Given the example of Falcon 9, I believe they will succeed with Starship, but scaling-up always seems to be a problem and it's the timescale (2028) which seems currently unobtainable.

I also agree with the Blue Origin/New Glenn comment: when I saw the launch-pad abort my first thought was "worst-possible abort scenario, except for the New Glenn option." As with the Starship engine-out on Flight 12, it's all new data to process, but that still doesn't inspire confidence in the 2028 timeline.

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Originally posted by Ben:
Can you elaborate a little on what you mean here? Almost every rocket is multi-engine.
Consider the starting sequence of a gas turbine engine. The engine must be made to rotate the compressor and turbine discs until a sufficient mass airflow through the engine combustion chamber can be established, at which point a high-energy spark and fuel are introduced within the combustion chamber until the fuel, mixed with the mass airflow, ignites, heats up, and expands. This results in more air flowing over the turbine, driving it to rotate faster, which drives the compressor faster, creating more mass airflow through the combustion chamber.

This is a relatively simple system, one that is repeatable many times per day. Yet now and again, out-of-condition starts, such as hot starts or false starts, happen. Pilots practice and monitor for out-of-condition starts as part of their training to operate a new aircraft type.

Spend any amount of time around a busy airport, and you will see an aircraft experience a start problem. Sometimes false starts happen due to a mechanical issue, sometimes due to an environmental issue, and sometimes an engine fails to start because the igniting fuel/air tries to go the wrong way through the engine.

As you increase the number of engines in a stack, the probability of at least one engine failing to start increases. With rockets, the timescales are measured over a much smaller period, the amount of force and stress is much greater, and the results of something going wrong are much worse than a large jet engine destroying itself during a hot or hung start.

What SpaceX is doing is an impressive challenge. They have demonstrated many times that they can start or restart the Raptor engines, as well as demonstrated that their system has redundancy to cope with an engine out during critical stages of the flight profile, and that their system can recognise failures and take the appropriate measures. This launch abort was a perfect demonstration that the system errs on the side of safety.

The Raptor engines are very high-energy machines. They create enough energy to destroy the launch site if they experience a catastrophic failure. SpaceX has revolutionised the industry and appear to be on a path to success.

The Falcon 9 surpassed all stated expectations and is another revolutionary stage in rocket development, but the Merlin engines are a more safe-sided design than the Raptor and 9 engines are statistically easier to deal with than 33. SpaceX has experienced in-flight engine failures of the Merlin during their operations, and at least 3 launch aborts triggered by Merlin issues.

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Appreciate the reply. It made it sound like you were saying having more than one engine on a rocket is a bad idea because it increases the chances of an issue. I think what you are really getting at is rockets with 30 engines, of which there are just two examples. But maybe I am misunderstanding the reason for the statement.

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From SpaceX:
Now targeting to launch Starship's 13th flight test as early as Thursday, July 23.

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Apparently not. From SpaceX:
Now targeting Friday, July 24 for Starship's thirteenth flight test, due to weather.

A key objective for the flight test is to get clear imagery from the ground of Starship's heatshield as it flies at a higher dynamic pressure during ascent, which won't be possible with today's weather conditions. Visibility is forecast to be ideal for a Friday attempt.

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I see the weather forecast for Boca Chica tonight is supposed to be sunny, which seems to resolve the issue.

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Four of Super Heavy's 33 Raptor engines aborted at startup due to issues with their oxygen turbopumps on SpaceX's first launch attempt last week. This time, all 33 engines lit as planned. SpaceX updates:
Super Heavy has splashed down in the Gulf of America!

Starship’s ascent burn is complete and is now coasting through space.

SpaceX had intended Super Heavy's landing burn to use 13 engines, but only eight remained lit resulting in a harder impact with the water.

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For the first time, SpaceX soft landed a Starship in the water and it remained intact!

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So what's the punchline? Is SpaceX going to wait for it to sink or let it keep floating along with the rest of the junk we put into the ocean?

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SpaceX hasn't said anything yet, but the ship that would normally be sent in to scuttle any remaining large segments is, apparently, keeping station with the intact Starship.

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I grew up watching stoic network announcers like Walter Cronkite provide space launch coverage of Mercury through Space Shuttle flights. I'll admit that today it's really hard for me to watch SpaceX coverage of a Starship launch.

The SpaceX moderators mostly come off like twenty-something video game bro's with backwards baseball hats, telling me how "gnarly" the launch is going to be. Plus, you have that crowd always screaming their heads off in the lobby of the launch center. I just find it to be a tough watch. End of rant...

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I love the fact that the announcers and SpaceX employees are young and pumped for test flying a new vehicle. They are the ones making the Future come alive.

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Originally posted by Space Cadet Carl:
I just find it to be a tough watch. End of rant...
I promise to get off your lawn just as soon as I get my Boomerang back.

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Agree with Carl. They come across as shills for SpaceX, which of course they are. They are "selling" their viewers/listeners a product, not reporting news.

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I guess that is what comes with commercial spaceflight. I wonder what the average age of a SpaceX employee is, or what the average age of someone who lives at Starbase.

I admit that I would rather listen to some technical commentary than to a crowd of people cheering over the commentators, but that is what comes when people are enthusiastic. Sometimes I just mute the TV.

I suspect much of it is staged. You see the same thing from a Blue Origin launch cast, where people gather on the roof of their building and stand in their car park, cheering, as the launch countdown ticks down. I can imagine none of them are allowed to gather like that on a standard workday, and they sometimes appear to start cheering just as the camera cuts to them.

But they do share some amazing video and technical content, and they launch almost every other day, so a space nut can get their fix.

Remember the days when the shuttle was grounded?

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Originally posted by Headshot:
So what's the punchline?
Elon Musk has confirmed that Spacex is sending a ship out to recover Starship. In in interim from SpaceX:
The Starship Recovery team has continued gathering imagery of the vehicle, which is still afloat in the Indian Ocean.

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Satellite imagery captures recovery attempt of Starship in the Indian Ocean.
Satellite images taken Sunday and Monday [Aug. 2-3] by Vantor, a Colorado-based geospatial intelligence company, show the recovery attempt, with a small boat deployed next to Starship and a line attached to its nose. It's unclear from the images if the towing has begun yet, but ship tracking data from MarineTraffic on Monday showed Skimmer Tide and Normand Ranger moving at about one knot and broadcasting that they had restricted maneuverability. Go Australis separated from the other ships and is on its way back to Australia alone.

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SpaceX update
The SpaceX Recovery team is still working to recover Flight 13's Starship from the Indian Ocean. They've been overcoming challenging conditions and increasingly rough seas as they attempt to guide the 52m long spacecraft to port.

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Latest from Elon Musk:
Unfortunately, ship recovery is not looking good right now.

Nonetheless, we were able to obtain close-up photos of critical regions of the heat shield and engines for future upgrades.

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From SpaceX:
After approximately 24 days at sea, the SpaceX Recovery team successfully guided Starship to a location just off the coast of Christmas Island. A team of SpaceX engineers is on their way to conduct additional analysis on the vehicle in calmer waters before attempting to return it to Starbase.

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THAR SHE BLOWS!


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