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Canaveral
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posted 05-30-2006 08:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Canaveral   Click Here to Email Canaveral     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi All;

I have been thinking of this quite a bit over the last week, which manned flights I would consider the bravest due to risk at the time and here is my ranking, I would be curious to see other opinions.

5. Mercury 7 flight
4. Apollo 7 flight
3. Apollo 8 flight
2. Columbia STS-1 flight
1. Apollo 11 flight

I consider each manned flight to be risky, but the above I believe had that extra element..

randy
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posted 05-30-2006 08:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for randy   Click Here to Email randy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's my top 5:

1- Freedom 7
2- Friendship 7
3- Gemini 4
4- Apollo 8
5- Apollo 11

Tom
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posted 05-30-2006 08:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tom   Click Here to Email Tom     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
1. Freedom 7
2. Friendship 7
3. Apollo 8
4. Apollo 11
5. STS-1

ColinBurgess
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posted 05-30-2006 09:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ColinBurgess   Click Here to Email ColinBurgess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Soyuz 1
Vostok 1
STS-1
Voskhod 1
Voskhod 2
Friendship 7
Freedom 7

FFrench
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posted 05-30-2006 11:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FFrench     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

If by "risk at the time" we include the condition of the boosters about to launch them or failures of the spacecraft, not known until during or after the mission, we should include:

Soyuz 5
Soyuz 11
Soyuz 18-1
Soyuz T-10-1
Gemini 6 launch attempts
Gemini 8
Apollo 13
Challenger's last flight
Columbia's last flight

Some very brave people there...

Moonpaws
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posted 05-30-2006 11:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonpaws   Click Here to Email Moonpaws     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Apollo 10
Apollo 9
Gemini 6
Mercury 7
Evel Knievel over the snake river

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Rex Hall
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posted 05-31-2006 01:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rex Hall   Click Here to Email Rex Hall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good morning
Glushko the leading Soviet designer said the bravest spaceflight was Soyuz T 13 to the Salyut 7 space station which was out of control and frozen as the arrays had lost tracking with the sun. The crew did not know what to expect neither did mission control. Dzhanibekov and Savinykh Glushko said were outside Gagarin and Leonov the only two cosmonauts who deserved a gold star. Not a headline grabbing mission like some mentioned already but certainly one from what photos you see from the station which did cause the crew concern.

Rex

mjanovec
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posted 05-31-2006 10:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My top 5 US flights along with my reasoning:

1. Freedom 7 - the Atlas had a nasty tendency to explode. No flight would ever be considered today in such a risky launch vehicle.
2. STS-1 - The first launch of a manned crew in a vehicle never test flown unmanned before. Launch, orbital flight, re-entry, and landing were all unknowns for this vehicle.
3. Apollo 8 - First manned flight on the Saturn V, first attempt to leave Earth orbit, first trip to lunar orbit, complete reliance on service module engine to for LOI and TEI.
4. Apollo 11 - For landing the LM and reliance on the LM ascent engine for liftoff.
5. Skylab 2 - The first manned US space station flight was also to be the first attempt at repairing a vehicle in space...with a whole new set of mission objectives given to the crew shortly before launch.

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David Stephenson
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posted 05-31-2006 10:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for David Stephenson   Click Here to Email David Stephenson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good Topic,
my list is exactly the same as Colins apart from i would add Apollo 8.
David.

tegwilym
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posted 05-31-2006 11:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tegwilym   Click Here to Email tegwilym     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Moonpaws:

Evel Knievel over the snake river



Ha! Good one. I think he could have made it with some assitance from Burt Rutan!

For my list...
Apollo 8 - first time on a Saturn V, to the moon, without a LM engine to get home on.
STS-1 - first flight of the shuttle, never flown unmanned.
STS-51L - gotta give them credit, they did see the ice on the shuttle.
STS-107 - They didn't know that it was that bad.
STS-ANY - I think it takes guts to get in that bird....but I'd go!

John K. Rochester
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posted 05-31-2006 11:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for John K. Rochester   Click Here to Email John K. Rochester     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mjanovec:
My top 5 US flights along with my reasoning:

1. Freedom 7 - the Atlas had a nasty tendency to explode. No flight would ever be considered today in such a risky launch vehicle.


Freedom 7 was, of course, launched by a Redstone..I'm sure you meant Friendship 7.

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John K. Rochester
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posted 05-31-2006 11:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for John K. Rochester   Click Here to Email John K. Rochester     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think "Space Ship One" should be in there somewhere as well.

nasamad
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posted 05-31-2006 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nasamad   Click Here to Email nasamad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Here are my 5 flights.

1. Vostok 1.
2. Voskhod 2.
3. Apollo 8.
4 Skylab 2.
5 STS-1.

Adam

machbusterman
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posted 05-31-2006 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for machbusterman   Click Here to Email machbusterman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In terms of having faith in the machinery:

1. Vostok 1.
2. Friendship 7.
3. Apollo 8.
4. STS-1.
5. While not a spaceflight Pete Knight's Mach 6.7 flight in the X-15-A2 was incredibly brave. Anyone who's seen the footage of what happened to the leading edges of the wings and tail area (particularly the ventral) from the heat from the hypersonic airflow will know what I mean.

- Derek

Bob M
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posted 05-31-2006 03:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob M   Click Here to Email Bob M     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My top 5 riskiest/bravest manned spaceflights:

USA: MR-3/Freedom 7
MA-6/Friendship 7
Apollo 8
Apollo 11
STS-1

Worldwide: Vostok-1/Gagarin
MA-6/Friendship 7
Apollo 8
Apollo 11
STS-1

IMO, don't see how Vostok-1, Apollo 8, Apollo 11 and, especially, STS-1, can be left off any list of riskiest/bravest manned spaceflights.

Bob McLeod

ColinBurgess
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posted 05-31-2006 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ColinBurgess   Click Here to Email ColinBurgess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Soyuz 1 would always be at the top of my list for several reasons. Korolev had died before the Soyuz craft was fully developed, and the steady guiding hand of expertise at the helm was gone; three precursory unmanned Soyuz craft had been lost in launch or re-entry problems, and in each case a cosmonaut on board would have perished; Gagarin and some top OKB-1 technicians were so concerned with the safety of the craft they had bravely submitted a list of ten major flaws in the Soyuz systems, which was totally ignored; cosmonaut chief Nikolai Kamanin wrote in his diary that he had grave doubts about the safety of this mission, and there were even unsubstantiated rumours that Komarov had told Gagarin in a pre-flight meeting that he knew he would not be returning from space.

Whatever the truth, Komarov was launched aboard Soyuz 1 with serious doubts as to the integrity of his spacecraft.

John Youskauskas
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posted 05-31-2006 08:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for John Youskauskas     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No one mentioned STS-26 as of yet, so I'll throw in my vote for Rick Hauck and his crew.

It was the first time a U.S. crew had ever gone aloft in a vehicle that killed it's last crew in flight. That ride uphill must have been equally exhilarating and terrifying. In those days after Challenger it was widely presumed that once the solids were gone, all would be fine. That had to be a rough two and a half minutes.

I think the mindset is a little different in the years following Columbia. The launch is still a considerable risk, but once you've done it you're already committed to whatever follows.

The STS-26 crew laid there on their backs for over two hours thinking about what might happen immediately after liftoff...what happeened to last astronauts to take that ride, and nobody asked to open the door and get off.

mjanovec
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posted 05-31-2006 10:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by John K. Rochester: Freedom 7 was, of course, launched by a Redstone..I'm sure you meant Friendship 7.

Oops...yes, I meant Friendship 7. Thanks for catching that.

Duke Of URL
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posted 05-31-2006 11:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Duke Of URL   Click Here to Email Duke Of URL     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Every space flight was brave. Brave-est is relative, of course. But a few stand out for me:
Vostok ("Let's go!")
Freedom 7 (guts at their most)
Friendship 7 (Just class)
Aurora 7 (hairy landing but pilot too cool for school throughout)
Faith 7 (dead stick brought to a perfect splashdown)
Voshkod (3 men in a one-man ship with no pressure suits)
Voshkod 2 (Leonov had to deflate suit to return to capsule)
Gemini 6 (the launch)
Gemini 7 (two weeks in that can)
Gemini 8
Soyuz 1
Apollo 7
Apollo 8
Apollo 11
Apollo 13
Skylab 2
STS 1
STS 26 (RTF)
STS 114

YOU pick five. I can't.

Mike Dixon
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posted 06-01-2006 02:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike Dixon   Click Here to Email Mike Dixon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
STS 1
Vostok 1
Apollo 8
Voshkod 2
Apollo 11

Michael Davis
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posted 06-01-2006 09:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Michael Davis   Click Here to Email Michael Davis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, assuming that we are talking about the bravest at the moment of launch, I would use this ranking:

Vostok 1 (you gotta figure that Gagarin thought his survival chances were pretty marginal -first manned launch, the reentry, the use of an ejection seat, parachuting to the ground, etc, etc.)

Freedom 7 ("I'm cooler than you are...". But, there was a reason that the ground team was nervous.)

STS 1 (No one had ever proven that this damn thing could even get off the ground)

Apollo 8 (Would you have completely trusted the SPS to get you out of lunar orbit at this point in the program? Plus, no one had ridden a Saturn V before...)

Gemini 6 (second launch attempt - Stafford HAD to be sweating.)

Now after the launch is a different story...

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ilbasso
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posted 06-01-2006 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ilbasso   Click Here to Email ilbasso     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some post-launch bravery awards go to:
== Apollo XIII (obvious)
== Apollo XII - laughing through lightning strikes and "losing the platform"
== Friendship 7 - heat shield questions
== Gemini VIII - first American abort in orbit
== Mir crews, fighting hull breach following collision with the Progress supply ship, and an onboard fire

Post-landing bravery:
== Liberty Bell 7 - nearly drowning as you watch the rescue crews go after your ship instead of you
== Voshkod 2 - missing your landing point by 1200 miles and spending a night in a dense forest surrounded by wolves, and your spacesuit filled past the ankles with your sweat
== Soyuz 23 - spending a day upside down without heat inside your capsule, submerged in a semi-frozen lake
== Come to think of it, just about any Soyuz landing !

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Spacepsycho
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posted 06-01-2006 07:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spacepsycho   Click Here to Email Spacepsycho     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How about any flight of the LLTV or LLRV ? It took some brass nads to strap your rear end into that thing.

kyra
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posted 06-01-2006 09:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kyra   Click Here to Email kyra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Another addition we would not want to forget:

Soyuz 5 with Boris Volynov. The descent module nearly burned through (there was smoke in the cabin). The parachute was burned to the point it didn't work very well. His bumpdown was around 60 mph, and he knocked out several teeth. (The rescue crew found him by following the trail of blood to a nearby farm !) In general the early Soyuz missions were risky before the tried and true formulas were developed.

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posted 06-01-2006 10:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WAWalsh   Click Here to Email WAWalsh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My knowledge on the Soviet program is thin, but the events surrounding Soyuz 18a should earn the crew some credit for surviving one of the hairiest launches in history. Launch involved the failure of the second stage to decouple from the third with the third stage lighting up with the second still dangling by three locks. Though the spent stage was blown clear, pressure forced over the rocket, causing it to be pointing downward when the abort occurred. The cosmonauts experienced 21Gs before the parachute finally opened and the Soviet cosmonauts landed in the mountains of the PRC.

As to top five U.S. moments of bravery (I lack enough knowledge to assess the Soviets/Russians):
1. MR-3 (how many rockets had Shepard seen blow up before his flight)
2. Apollo 8 (Anders states that he thought that there was a 33 percent chance that the crew would not make it).
3. STS-1 (a maiden voyage of an untried vehicle)
4. Apollo 11 (Beyond the pressure associated with being the first targeted to land on the Moon, your life is on the line with the successful landing of the LM and the successful liftoff of the vehicle)
5. Every other launch. Despite the awe of the event, liftoff is inherently dangerous and very risky.

FFrench
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posted 06-01-2006 11:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FFrench     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by kyra:
The rescue crew found him by following the trail of blood to a nearby farm !

I agree, Volynov's Soyuz 5 descent definitely needs to be on this list. But the part above you state, while appearing in some normally very reliable source's accounts, has been stated to be false by Volynov himself. There were no buildings anywhere close by (for dozens of miles), he was wearing a lightweight tracksuit and it was well below freezing outside. He stayed in the spacecraft until the official rescue team arrived.

In the same way, Leonov has said that accounts of wolves snarling around the Voskhod 2 spacecraft at night(as many accounts exaggerate) are fanciful. They saw animal tracks in the forest, that was all.

But no less brave or risky!

kyra
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posted 06-02-2006 07:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kyra   Click Here to Email kyra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for update on the Soyuz 5. As with many stories from the early days elements of mythology build up with parts of the story being true, other parts embelished.

The inside of that module must have been a mess !
Volynov flew again 6 years later on a 49 day mission to Salyut 5.

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posted 06-02-2006 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FutureAstronaut     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
1- Freedom 7
2- Friendship 7
3- Gemini 4
4- Apollo 11
5- STS- 1
6- Apollo 13
7- Hubble Repairs
8- Apollo-Soyuz

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