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drifting to the right
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posted 04-18-2023 09:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for drifting to the right     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just curious as to opinions regarding how artificial intelligence (AI) has and will in the future affect our hobby.

Imaging certainly can be enhanced and manufactured; but is there also a downside, e.g. "perfect" forgeries?

Jim Behling
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posted 04-18-2023 09:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jim Behling   Click Here to Email Jim Behling     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What hobby specifically? Collecting flown hardware? Patches? Covers? Don't see how AI affects them.

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posted 04-18-2023 09:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for drifting to the right     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Portraits, letters, covers, checklists... mainly signed paper/photo items.

Not just curious about forgery/fake potentials, but also on the positive side, enhanced reconstructed and recreated videos and still images relating to spaceflight.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 04-18-2023 10:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AI systems, at least they exist today, are essentially as good as information fed to them. The more valid data it has access to, the more it can respond to complex questions.

So, for example, if given access to the data (i.e. complete auction catalog archives), AI could assist by tracking individual items through their being bought and sold, giving a better appreciation for how many unique items are on the market and how many are repeat sales.

It would not be complete or perfect (given issues with the source material), but if the AI was capable of comparing images and referencing serial and part numbers, as well as any other distinguishing details, it could cross-index the sales' histories faster and easier than any human could.

Update: For whatever it is worth, I asked ChatGBT "How can you help me collect space memorabilia?"

As an AI language model, I can provide you with information and guidance on how to collect space memorabilia. Here are some steps to get you started:
  1. Define Your Focus: Space memorabilia can encompass a wide range of items, such as artifacts from space missions, autographs from astronauts, spacecraft models, patches, stamps, coins, and more. Decide what type of space memorabilia you want to collect and narrow down your focus to make your collection more cohesive.

  2. Educate Yourself: Learn about the history of space exploration, significant space missions, and notable astronauts. Familiarize yourself with the different types of space memorabilia and their values. Stay up-to-date with news and events related to space exploration, as this can impact the availability and value of space memorabilia.

  3. Research Authenticity: Authenticity is crucial when it comes to collecting space memorabilia. Due to the prevalence of counterfeit items in the market, it's important to research and verify the authenticity of any memorabilia you're interested in collecting. Look for reputable sources, such as certified dealers, auction houses, and space organizations, and ask for provenance or documentation to support the authenticity of the item.

  4. Set a Budget: Collecting space memorabilia can range from affordable to highly expensive, depending on the rarity and significance of the item. Set a budget that aligns with your financial capabilities and collect within your means. Be mindful of additional costs such as shipping, insurance, and storage.

  5. Build Your Network: Connect with fellow space memorabilia collectors, join online forums, attend space-related events and conferences, and participate in space-themed communities. Networking can provide you with valuable insights, tips, and opportunities to buy, sell, or trade items for your collection.

  6. Take Care of Your Collection: Properly store and preserve your space memorabilia to ensure their longevity. Follow best practices for handling, displaying, and storing each item, such as using acid-free materials, avoiding direct sunlight, and maintaining appropriate temperature and humidity levels.

  7. Enjoy the Process: Collecting space memorabilia can be a rewarding and exciting hobby. Enjoy the process of researching, acquiring, and preserving items that hold significance to you. Learn from the experience and continually expand your knowledge and appreciation for space exploration.
Remember to always do your due diligence and exercise caution when collecting space memorabilia to ensure that you are acquiring authentic and high-quality items. Happy collecting!

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posted 04-18-2023 11:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for drifting to the right     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
With regards to aforementioned flown hardware, patches, and pins, is it inconceivable that AI could generate a COA photo of say a deceased moonwalker holding an unflown version, and attesting to it as flown, even in his own handwriting?

I think Robert's notion of using it to cross reference prior sales is an excellent positive use for the AI, but it fails to eliminate future fakery, which perhaps will always evolve in sophistication.

"Open the pod bay doors, please, HAL."

Robert Pearlman
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posted 04-18-2023 01:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
While AI can make it easier, anyone familiar enough with Photoshop can alter/create a photo to show anyone holding anything. Heck, with deep fake video technology and a good impersonator, you could create a believable video of an astronaut talking about the fake item and attesting it went to the moon.

AI-driven art programs can speed the process, but often leaves enough behind to be detected as AI-created (at least as of today).

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posted 04-18-2023 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for garymilgrom   Click Here to Email garymilgrom     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Excellent points Robert. Thank you.

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posted 04-18-2023 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for drifting to the right     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, very reassuring (at least as of today 😊)

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posted 04-18-2023 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for thisismills   Click Here to Email thisismills     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Robert, thanks for posting the ChatGPT response to your question.

I enjoy reading the output of questions that I would be comfortable answering myself and comparing what the AI thinks to my own opinions. For what its worth I think it did rather well with its explanation and list of things to consider.

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posted 04-18-2023 03:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceAholic   Click Here to Email SpaceAholic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I dont see any themes in the GBT response that have not been previously hit on multiple times in these forums; its likely the output was derived primarily as a synthesis of data mined from cS.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 04-18-2023 06:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would hope an AI would not find some unique aspect to space collecting that the community hasn't already learned and shared. That said, I was impressed that it was able to understand the question, identify what sources to reference and express what it found in a coherent way such that I would be hard pressed to improve upon its reply.

Well, almost — I would have been even more impressed if it also said "Consult collectSPACE."

And on that note, here's one more inquiry to ChatGBT, "Compose a theme song for collectSPACE.com."

(Verse 1)
Step into the cosmos, let your dreams take flight,
Where space enthusiasts gather day and night,
A world of knowledge, a universe to explore,
CollectSPACE.com, where space fans truly soar.

(Chorus)
CollectSPACE.com, the gateway to the stars,
Where space history shines from near and far,
A treasure trove of spacefaring delight,
Igniting passion with each cosmic insight.

(Verse 2)
From Apollo to SpaceX, and beyond,
A community of like-minded souls so fond,
Sharing stories, news, and memories too,
CollectSPACE.com, the cosmic rendezvous.

(Chorus)
CollectSPACE.com, the gateway to the stars,
Where space history shines from near and far,
A treasure trove of spacefaring delight,
Igniting passion with each cosmic insight.

(Bridge)
From astronauts' tales to rocket launches grand,
A hub for space enthusiasts to understand,
Preserving the past, embracing the now,
CollectSPACE.com, where space love avow.

(Verse 3)
Join the journey, be part of the crew,
Explore the galaxies, the cosmos anew,
With updates, articles, and a vibrant community,
CollectSPACE.com, where space dreams run free.

(Chorus)
CollectSPACE.com, the gateway to the stars,
Where space history shines from near and far,
A treasure trove of spacefaring delight,
Igniting passion with each cosmic insight.

(Outro)
So come on board, let's reach for the sky,
With CollectSPACE.com as our guide, oh so high,
A beacon for space enthusiasts, a celestial spark,
CollectSPACE.com, where space love leaves its mark.

dwager
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posted 04-18-2023 07:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dwager   Click Here to Email dwager     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL - That was somewhat frightening and hilarious at the same time, Robert. I found it a testimony to what you have accomplished here... 😁

Rocketman!
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posted 04-18-2023 10:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rocketman!   Click Here to Email Rocketman!     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Now set it to the theme music of Space 1999!

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