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Beau08
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posted 04-24-2012 06:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Beau08   Click Here to Email Beau08     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anyone here know of an online resource that catalogs all mission lithos that were available to the public for Mercury, Gemini, Apollo, ASTP, and Skylab?

Lasv3
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posted 04-25-2012 12:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lasv3   Click Here to Email Lasv3     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can only send you the list of NASA lithos I have in my collection. It is of course far from complete but you have some reference at least. I send it to your e-mail address.

Beau08
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posted 04-25-2012 08:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Beau08   Click Here to Email Beau08     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you very much for taking the time to send that to me. Precisely what I was looking for....

herranzc
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posted 04-25-2012 10:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for herranzc   Click Here to Email herranzc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I suggest that such a list would be a useful resource to be included in this very website. This way it could be amended by forum readers and eventually get a complete list.

Lasv3
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posted 04-25-2012 01:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lasv3   Click Here to Email Lasv3     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can send the list to anybody interested, just please let me know. What I cannot do is to put it on the website. The reason is very simple - I am totally hopeless case regarding the PC skills.

If there is a demand to make it public then somebody has to volunteer to put it on the website instead of me, I provide the list of course.

heng44
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posted 04-26-2012 03:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for heng44   Click Here to Email heng44     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Years ago I obtained a CD made by a collector who scanned all lithos up to that time. I don't think it has a list, but it does have pictures of all the lithos (at least the first 2-300 or so). I'll see if I can find it.

Spaceguy5
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posted 04-26-2012 04:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spaceguy5   Click Here to Email Spaceguy5     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you can find it, would you be able to post them? Or if necessary, I could host them on the website I'm currently setting up--I already scanned a bunch of my lithos/glossies front-and-back (with still a lot more to go), and I plan on posting all of them... eventually. I found a pretty good API to easily set up photo galleries. Here's a demo. I think it would be nice to have a digital archive of these, which is part of the reason I set up my website. Some of the stamps on the backs are really tricky to read without photo enhancing, but I've been using software to correct that.

Beau08
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posted 04-26-2012 08:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Beau08   Click Here to Email Beau08     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think that some sort of unofficial database of known NASA issued lithos would be great. Something along the lines of what Chris Spain does for patches and astronaut portraits would be a good start with cSers contributing info to build the database.

Does anyone know of someone who was part of the NASA public relations department that printed and distributed the lithos? It would be interesting to get inside info on the numbering system and quantities issued. Are certain lithos much rarer than others?

I too am limited on a technical basis, but am willing to help anyway I can like contributing info or data entry.

spacerock1
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posted 04-26-2012 04:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for spacerock1   Click Here to Email spacerock1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lasv3:
I can send the list to anybody interested, just please let me know.
Would it be possible for you to send it to me? Thanks.

Lasv3
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posted 04-26-2012 11:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lasv3   Click Here to Email Lasv3     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, sure.

Anybody else wanting the list please contact me directly through my e-mail not to crowd this thread unnecessarilly, thanks.

heng44
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posted 04-28-2012 06:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for heng44   Click Here to Email heng44     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK, I found the CD and I have uploaded the complete contents to my Dropbox. It can be downloaded via this link about 20 minutes after I post this (it is still uploading now).

It also contains individual medium-res scans of all the lithos. Remember that I obtained this many years ago, so it is not up to date. Also, I forgot who sent it to me, so I don't know who to credit for all the work.

I'll leave the file in place for about a week or so.

Beau08
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posted 04-28-2012 08:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Beau08   Click Here to Email Beau08     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is awesome...Thank you (and CD maker) so much for making this available. I downloaded and it came out perfect. I'm really only interested in Mercury, Gemini and Apollo through ASTP so this is up to date for my needs. Man there are WAY more than I thought.

Beau08
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posted 04-28-2012 10:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Beau08   Click Here to Email Beau08     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Found this that probably was the origin of this list from March of 2002:
For sometime now, I have always wanted to put together a reference guide for NASA lithographs. I got together with a fellow member Roger Waterbury and we have finished the first MSCL (Manned Spacecraft Center Litho)CD-ROM. The CD-ROM has 105 scans which include the front and back of each lithograph. We have also included certain variations of some of the lithographs. In addition, there is a hard copy of the description of each litho.

This CD-ROM is FREE to registered members of collectSPACE.com. Roger and I believe that this forum should be used to share and exchange information whenever possible. In the near future, we hope to put together reference guides for HqL, JSCL, JSCCL etc.

Lasv3
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posted 04-28-2012 01:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lasv3   Click Here to Email Lasv3     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Excellent catalogue, thanks a lot!

Beau08
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posted 05-11-2012 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Beau08   Click Here to Email Beau08     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This CD is a wonderful resource for identifying lithographs thanks again for making it available. There are some missing ones however. Does anyone have an example of the JSCL 101-104, and MSCL 84 lithos? Thanks for any help.

Lasv3
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posted 05-12-2012 02:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lasv3   Click Here to Email Lasv3     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In my opinion they remained simply vacant — from whatever reason. With that amount of lithos it was easily possible to omit something.

On the other hand there are two JSCL-113 lithos, one is Skylab 4 crew and the other is STS-41D crew, which (STS) is completely misplaced with this number. Just proof that there worked "only" human beings in NASA PR as well.

heng44
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posted 05-13-2012 02:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for heng44   Click Here to Email heng44     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In the 1980s I tried to complete my litho collection by requesting the missing numbers from the JSC public affairs office. They sent me what was on my list with a few exceptions and told me that some numbers were 'voided', as they called it. I don't have that letter anymore, so I can't say which numbers.

Beau08
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posted 05-13-2012 11:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Beau08   Click Here to Email Beau08     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the info. Did you ever complete your collection of lithos? Which ones are the most difficult to come by? I have never seen a MSCL-1 or 2 come to market since I have been collecting them.

heng44
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posted 05-13-2012 03:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for heng44   Click Here to Email heng44     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I had a pretty complete litho collection up to the first few Shuttle flights. After that I traded them in for the real photo versions in most cases. When I was collecting them there was no internet, so all I could do was request them from NASA. Some of the early ones were no longer available by that time, such as the original Apollo 13 crew.

Mike Dixon
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posted 05-13-2012 06:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike Dixon   Click Here to Email Mike Dixon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Beau08:
I have never seen a MSCL-1 or 2 come to market since I have been collecting them.

MSCL 1 is really rare. MSCL 2 (despite the fact that the code isn't printed on every released litho) is the Apollo 1 crew.

Beau08
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posted 05-19-2012 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Beau08   Click Here to Email Beau08     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is it common for some of these lithos to have the Id numbers printed on some but not others? I have three of the lithos from the list provided by heng44 of Gemini and they match exactly except the MSCL # on front lower left. Any particular reason for this?

benfairfax
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posted 05-20-2012 05:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for benfairfax   Click Here to Email benfairfax     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A particular MSCL litho may or may not have a number on the front or back or not have one. I have several examples of these. Some are rarer than others which ads to the joy of collecting!

carl walker
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posted 09-04-2012 02:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for carl walker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just began a massive reorganisation of my signed photos and lithos. I've had some great contact with very helpful fellow cSPACE'rs on this subject... e.g. rare examples, JSCL numbers, etc.

I've seen that some lists were in preparation a few years back, listing HqL and JSCIL numbers, does anyone know how these progressed? Where could I get a copy?

Another question, I got a list of MSCL and JSCL lithos (thanks!), but note the list starts at JSCL105. I have some lithos with JSCL-5, 025, 027 and 028 (Group 4 astronauts, Seven original with F-102, Group 3 and Group 1 and 2 respectively). Anyone know what's missing of if there's a reason for the gap?

Third question, I have just pulled together my WSS lithos, you know the ones, James A McDivitt, Jim Irwin, etc. with no numbers. Does anyone know of a classification system NASA used, when these were printed or have an overview of which astronauts WSS lithos (no number) exist?

Editor's note: Threads merged.

Tykeanaut
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posted 09-04-2012 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tykeanaut   Click Here to Email Tykeanaut     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a 6x4-inch 182 page booklet produced in 1976 by NASA called "Space Photography 1976 Index."

It lists various B&W and colour photos available for many missions complete with an identification reference. Does anyone else have or remember this book I wonder?

carl walker
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posted 09-04-2012 04:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for carl walker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, yes I have the book, NP-104, the 1987 edition. It lists photo nos., which is great, but not litho numbers.

Mike Dixon
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posted 09-04-2012 07:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike Dixon   Click Here to Email Mike Dixon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you think HqL MSCL JSCL & JSCIL litho numbering systems are in any way disorganised or confusing, don't go anywhere near LG coded releases


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posted 09-05-2012 01:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for carl walker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the tip Mike! But that's like a red rag to a bull...

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