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Topic: But for the Grace of God: An Autobiography of an Aviator and Astronaut (W.R. Pogue)
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jvertrees Member Posts: 54 From: Crestwood, MO Registered: Mar 2009
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posted August 15, 2010 10:06 AM
Skylab astronaut Bill Pogue's autobiography, "But for the Grace of God: An Autobiography of an Aviator and Astronaut" is nearing its release. For the most part the text is finished. Currently he and the publisher are working on inserting the photos into the text, attaching appropriate captions to the photos and formatting the product. I've read the book several times in an editing type mode and the book is a very good autobiography. It covers his full professional life not just the NASA years and I think stands very strong with many of the others out there. Bill has totally pulled out the stops on getting good photos and graphics into the book. Some are photos many have seen but many are new ones from his days in the Air Force and his Thunderbird tour. The way the photos are added in the text and not in a single photo section really adds to the story since they come up at the appropriate time. There are a lot of photos but not so many that they become distracting or make the book an illustrated version. This is a preliminary of the front cover of Bill's book. The final version may change.  |
capoetc Member Posts: 1520 From: Newnan GA (USA) Registered: Aug 2005
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posted August 15, 2010 01:15 PM
Looking forward to Colonel Pogue's book. Is it true that the book is going to be limited to 1000 copies, or is that just the first printing? |
cspg Member Posts: 3315 From: Geneva, Switzerland Registered: May 2006
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posted August 15, 2010 11:53 PM
There's nothing more to the title than just being an expression, is there? |
jvertrees Member Posts: 54 From: Crestwood, MO Registered: Mar 2009
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posted August 16, 2010 02:52 PM
quote: Originally posted by capoetc: Is it true that the book is going to be limited to 1000 copies, or is that just the first printing?
Currently Col. Pogue is working with a publisher in Northern Arkansas for a private printing run of 1,000 signed and numbered copies. There will be a posting on collectSPACE when they are available and where to get them. This run will be a high quality trade paperback 6"x9". I don't believe a final price has been established but all the figures I've heard will be very close to full retail price for an unsigned copy. There is a special title/signature page being created marking this edition as a special printing. I do not believe there are any current plans of limiting the book to only 1,000 copies. Communications I've had with Col. Pogue about his book suggest he does want a future wider publication. He did want to get something special out there mostly so his large and extended family can have his story in a first hand account. He has done all the writing himself and is a gifted writer with a strong since of history and good humor. I believe there is still a hunt for a general publisher once the product is final. As a USAF pilot yourself I'm sure you will enjoy the chapters on his time as a Korean War Combat Pilot, his time with the RAF on an exchange tour in Farnborough, England attending the Empire Test Pilots’ School and his two years as a USAF Thunderbird. He was among the first Thunderbirds; this special unit was only created a few years before he was selected to try out for the team. |
jvertrees Member Posts: 54 From: Crestwood, MO Registered: Mar 2009
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posted December 13, 2010 07:34 PM
Finally some new news. The Bill Pogue autobiography special printing is scheduled to be printed the first week in January 2011. Don Boggs of Boggs Space Books will have a period of time where he will be the exclusive seller of the 1,000 signed and numbered copies. Those of you who know Don's business know many of his signed new releases come with no to very little additional cost. This book promises to be the same. Currently Bill is not working with a general publisher. He hopes to have one sometime in 2011. His long time agent (Barbara Bova) for his other books died of cancer in September of 2009 and also his wife Jean to a long term illness in December of 2009. The personal setbacks ended the not yet finalized deals in the works at the time. To finish the writing and editing stage of the project he decided to first release this private edition, all hand signed with one of his Skylab flown pens and ink so his expanding and extended family can have his story and we collectSPACE followers will have a chance to grab our own personal copy. Below is an extended text of a blurb Walt Boyne has written for Bill's book. What will end up on the book cover will be greatly cut down due to space but Bill said he would like me to share the full text with you. Alan Bean, Ed Buckbee, Michael Collins and of course Ed Gibson and Jerry Carr of Skylab 4, SLM-3 have also weighed in for this special printing. I will share any additional text as I can. It is not enough that Bill Pogue is a superb pilot, combat veteran, scientist, teacher and record-setting astronaut -- he is also a master story teller. His autobiography "But for the Grace of God" is one of the two best memoirs ever written by an astronaut, and should be required reading for every pilot or astronaut aspirant. In his book, Pogue packages his adventure filled life into easy-to-read inspiring tales that move swiftly from page to page, and are filled with his reverence for his family, God, nature and mankind. Whether engaging the enemy in combat, flying metal-bending aerobatics with the Thunderbirds, or setting all records for distance and endurance in the wonderful Skylab -- a true space station of its time -- Pogue speaks clearly with a compelling authority but a modest tone. This is a keeper, a book that all parents should provide their children as a guide to how good life can be when it is lived to its fullest. Walter J. Boyne Author/Historian, Former Director, National Air & Space Museum Enshrinee, National Aviation Hall of Fame |
gliderpilotuk Member Posts: 2654 From: London, UK Registered: Feb 2002
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posted December 14, 2010 03:40 PM
Is it still paperback only or will there be a preferable h/b signed edition? |
jvertrees Member Posts: 54 From: Crestwood, MO Registered: Mar 2009
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posted December 21, 2010 10:18 AM
This is an additional blurb that will appear on the back cover of "But For The Grace of God".Very nice praise coming from the man often considered to have penned the best astronaut memoir. Bill Pogue has had an amazing career: Oklahoma farm boy, Korean war fighter pilot, elite Thunderbird slot and wingman, mathematical whiz, eighty-four days of science as a Skylab astronaut, and much more. Competently and directly, he guides the reader through a half-century of technological advance, always in the forefront, but modestly so. A super read, a gem of a book.Mike Collins, Command Module Pilot, Apollo 11 |
Boggs SpaceBooks Member Posts: 107 From: Anderson, Indiana Registered: Oct 2000
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posted December 21, 2010 05:48 PM
Boggs SpaceBooks is pleased to announce that we are now taking pre-orders by email only for signed copies of "But for the Grace of God; An Autobiography of an Aviator and an Astronaut" by noted test pilot, Apollo 7, 11 and 14 support crew member, Skylab IV pilot William R. Pogue.Numbered and signed edition (limited to only 1,000 copies) and signed with a Fisher Pen Flown on Skylab! Pre-order by email. For decades, Bill Pogue has been an unsung hero in the astronaut corps. Korea war aviator, test pilot, U.S. Air Force Thunderbirds solo and slot pilot, Air Force Academy Professor, Apollo 7, 11 and 14 support crew member, Skylab IV pilot, Boeing Space Station Freedom consultant and more, Pogue has seen it all and escaped death on several occasions. Now his story is told in an extensive account of a unique life and in a unusually modest fashion. Many never told before behind the scenes stories. Soar with Eagles Publishing | Rogers, AR | 2011 | 1st edition limited to 1,000 signed copies | SB | illustrated w/diagrams and photos | Signed with Fisher pen part #SEB12100051-208, Serial #1259 flown on the U.S. Skylab space station from May 14, 1973 to February 8, 1974 for 110 million miles in space during 4,100 orbits by author Bill Pogue, 6x9 inches, 334pp Pricing is still to be determined but will be under retail. |
jvertrees Member Posts: 54 From: Crestwood, MO Registered: Mar 2009
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posted December 22, 2010 01:15 PM
quote: Originally posted by gliderpilotuk: Is it still paperback only or will there be a preferable h/b signed edition?
This special printing will be a High Quality trade paperback, size 6"x9". The books are a high quality using good paper and high photo reproduction methods, printed in the USA. The book has the photos filtered throughout the text rather than in a single photo section so they pop up when they are related to the story. Also many photos have extended captions that tell some additional info not in the main text. A HB would be more desirable but Bill is interested in keeping this printing to the lowest cost he can while retaining a high quality. Seeing the price structure on this it is doubtful he will do anything other than recover his out of pocket costs. His primary interest is getting something written in his words on his life experiences for his family. I've read the text several times at different stages of editing and I think the book is extremely well written and holds strong reader interest. Easily one of the better written space memoirs and I believe I've read them all so far. Although the final price isn't set yet all of the prices I've heard are quite low. I think it will be an excellent chance to pick up an excellent M.G.A. autobiography at an extremely good price. As posted above the "Go To" place to pick up copies is Boggs SpaceBooks. |
jvertrees Member Posts: 54 From: Crestwood, MO Registered: Mar 2009
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posted January 07, 2011 01:13 PM
Don and Tamara Boggs have updated their site to include the price for Bill Pogue's very limited special collectors printing of his autobiography “But for the Grace of God”. $29.95 plus shipping, available exclusively from Boggs Space Books. You can’t even get one directly from Bill Pogue at this point. Boggs Space Books is the go to location to secure your personal copy. Soar with Eagles | Rogers, AR | 2011 | 1st edition limited to 1,000 SIGNED copies | SB | illustrated w/diagrams and photos | New | SIGNED with Fisher pen part # SEB12100051-208, Serial # 1259 FLOWN on the U.S. Skylab space station from May 14, 1973 to February 8, 1974 for 110 million miles in space during 4,100 orbits by author Bill Pogue, 6x9 inches, 334pp Truly a collector's item! $29.95 plus shipping. orders@boggsspace.com
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freshspot Member Posts: 238 From: Lexington, MA, USA Registered: Dec 2005
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posted January 08, 2011 03:25 AM
A question was asked by cspg earlier and I'm not sure it was answered."God" is the largest word on the cover. Is this a religious book? |
gliderpilotuk Member Posts: 2654 From: London, UK Registered: Feb 2002
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posted January 08, 2011 05:39 AM
Well it'd look a bit odd if "But" was the biggest word  |
Henry Heatherbank Member Posts: 103 From: Adelaide, South Australia Registered: Apr 2005
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posted January 08, 2011 08:49 PM
cspg and freshspot have a point. The answer to this question will influence my decision to purchase the book. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 23493 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted January 08, 2011 10:24 PM
I would think that the advance reviews by Michael Collins and Walter Boyne (shared above) provide the context for Pogue's book. Boyne's review in particular would seem to liken Pogue's autobiography to Tom Jones' Sky Walking (for example). Jones book is not religious but does share his religious views in the context that they shaped his career and life choices. |
A.Pelago Member Posts: 33 From: Canada Registered: May 2005
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posted January 09, 2011 02:10 PM
Personally, if I'm interested in someone's life, career or achievements I am also interested in their beliefs...or lack thereof. I don't care whether they're religious, atheist, agnostic, capitalist or communist, if there is something of interest in their life or their personality then I am interested in whatever makes them tick regardless of whether it matches my own viewpoints. And if someone's autobiography or memoir is 'preachy' whether it be religiously, politically or idealogically, I am big enough and mature enough not to let it upset me but just to read it and learn what role it played in their life and their life choices. |
OLDIE Member Posts: 143 From: Portsmouth, England Registered: Sep 2004
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posted January 09, 2011 02:47 PM
It's strange how the word "God" upsets some people. Echoes of Transylvania? If you're interested in the author and the book, buy it. If you're not interested, don't. Please don't let this message board become a mud -slinging match for religious intolerance. For the record, I'll be buying the book. |
Boggs SpaceBooks Member Posts: 107 From: Anderson, Indiana Registered: Oct 2000
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posted January 09, 2011 04:55 PM
On the question of whether this is a religious book or not... I think the real question is, does Bill Pogue have a religious agenda in writing his book? We've read the book. The conclusion from our review of the book is that he does not. It is an honest review of Bill Pogue's life in all of it's facets. |
GoesTo11 Member Posts: 644 From: Denver, CO USA Registered: Jun 2004
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posted January 09, 2011 05:54 PM
A. Pelago: Well said. Personally, I would describe myself as an agnostic-leaning-skeptic, but I don't recoil reflexively at anyone speaking of their faith. If I'm curious enough about an individual to take the time to read or otherwise learn about their life and their accomplishments, then I'm also interested in hearing about their beliefs, and their view of humanity's place in the universe. I'm not interested in being preached at. But I don't get the impression that's part of Pogue's intention with his book, any more so than it is with most of the other memoirs I've read from men and women who played roles in humanity's first attempts to shake the bonds of Earth.They were often people of strong faith, and their efforts in such an extraordinary endeavor couldn't help but provoke reflection on, and examination of, their own views of creation and of their own existence. It's a part of who they are, and a part of their story. I may not necessarily share their beliefs, but I'll never belittle or dismiss them, nor will I let them dissuade me from learning about their journeys. |
cspg Member Posts: 3315 From: Geneva, Switzerland Registered: May 2006
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posted January 10, 2011 12:00 AM
quote: Originally posted by OLDIE: It's strange how the word "God" upsets some people.
It's not so much the word "God" but rather the possible agenda behind it. Apparently that's not the case with Pogue's book and I will buy a copy. Religion can easily turn into a walk through a mine field- even more so as of late. And I wouldn't want to read any book whose author would claim that his beliefs are better than somebody else's. It's a slippery slope. That being said I fully agree with A.Pelago.
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Henry Heatherbank Member Posts: 103 From: Adelaide, South Australia Registered: Apr 2005
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posted January 10, 2011 12:44 AM
Ditto cspg. I'm happy enough to buy. |
freshspot Member Posts: 238 From: Lexington, MA, USA Registered: Dec 2005
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posted January 10, 2011 02:49 AM
I have pre-ordered a copy. Thanks Donald & Tamara Boggs for jumping in. I am looking forward to reading the book.Absolutely! When I am interested in someone's life I want to know what makes them tick even if I do not personally believe in the same things. My question was not rooted in intolerance. Rather, I am always cautious when the TITLE of a book references beliefs. In my experience reading many autobiographies, title choice frequently means those beliefs go way beyond a simple element of the story to dominating the narrative in such a way as to detract from the parts of the person's life that interest me. |
jvertrees Member Posts: 54 From: Crestwood, MO Registered: Mar 2009
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posted January 10, 2011 01:27 PM
I find it odd that the title is main focus of attention for so many as well. "But for the Grace of God, there go I" is a common expression, almost to the point of being a cliché.Col. Pogue’s book is not a religious text, nor does it have any religious slant or agenda. The title of Bill’s book is in reference to his mother. She and all of her children have deep religious beliefs. She prayed for all of her children daily from their births to the end of her life. Col. Pogue believes that prayer could be one of the reasons he is still alive today. He confronted seemingly certain death several times in his career as a combat pilot and several other times during his career. Even his birth was a little touchy. In his introduction he talks about his mother and their beliefs briefly. I’ve read the text several times in an editing mode and don’t recall if religion is brought up throughout the book. Other than getting his first job at a church in Sand Springs, Oklahoma and him mentioning some volunteer work her currently does at a local church I don’t believe religion or church is mentioned. It doesn’t preach anywhere, not even in the introduction where the topic is brushed lightly. It simply explains one facet of a thousand faceted extraordinary person. It does help explain partly why Bill Pogue is such a kind and decent person. He does believe in things bigger than self. Having read Bill’s book several times and I believe all the other first person astronaut autobiographies and memoirs I do personally believe this book is among the strongest astronaut memoirs out there. It flows nicely and covers a lot of ground without getting bogged down anywhere. It is well told, has good humor, and contains no self absorption or conceit. He also covers other interesting periods like his pilot training, his days in the Korean War and two years as an elite pilot in the USAF Thunderbirds that will interest the pilots out there. I even like his early years stories, they help frame for the reader who he is. Every word was written by Pogue personally, he took many editing suggestions from myself and several others but wrote every word of every page himself over several years which included some of his most difficult days. It is truly an extraordinary book.
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MCroft04 Member Posts: 1085 From: Smithfield, Me, USA Registered: Mar 2005
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posted January 11, 2011 08:50 PM
Received an email from Boggs to buy my pre-order of Bill's book this evening. Great to get one of the first 1000 copies, and signed. What a great deal! |
gliderpilotuk Member Posts: 2654 From: London, UK Registered: Feb 2002
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posted January 12, 2011 07:42 AM
"Never judge a book by the cover" - isn't that what they say? I'm looking forward to reading this immensely. |
PeterO Member Posts: 105 From: Rochester, NH Registered: Mar 2002
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posted January 12, 2011 07:54 AM
I'm eagerly awaiting my copy, so much so that I even sprang for Priority shipping, which for this frugal Yankee is a big deal.  Pogue is the only astronaut I've actually met. He was the Astronaut Encounter speaker when I visited KSC in December 2002. He gave an exciting and witty presentation, and was especially concerned about reaching out to the youngsters in the rather sparse audience. He enjoyed shaking hands and saying hello afterwards. No autographs though, since those were reserved for the paying guests at the subsequent astronaut luncheon. Now I'll finally have an autograph to go with my photos. |
Tykeanaut Member Posts: 1070 From: Worcestershire, England, UK. Registered: Apr 2008
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posted January 12, 2011 08:52 AM
How much is shipping to the UK please? |
lm5eagle Member Posts: 337 From: Registered: Jul 2007
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posted January 12, 2011 08:58 AM
Shipping to UK is $13.73, making the total cost of the package $43.68. |
AJ Member Posts: 423 From: Plattsburgh, NY, United States Registered: Feb 2009
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posted January 14, 2011 02:33 PM
Seriously? Someone wouldn't buy a book about a subject they're interested in because it might be about religion? If faith was/is a part of Pogue's life, then that's part of his story, period. I am not a religious person but I respect the beliefs of those who are. Evelyn Husband wrote a very moving book called "High Calling" about her life with her husband Rick and the tragedy that claimed his life. Religion plays a huge role in that book, but at no time was I, a non-believer, offended, dismayed or turned off. It's a good book and I'm sure the Pogue book will be, no matter what. |
jvertrees Member Posts: 54 From: Crestwood, MO Registered: Mar 2009
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posted January 14, 2011 03:17 PM
quote: Originally posted by AJ: Evelyn Husband wrote a very moving book called "High Calling" about her life with her husband Rick and the tragedy that claimed his life.
Thank you AJ for the heads up regarding "High Calling". I seem to remember it being out there but forgot about it. I will get that title back on my search list. I would like to know more about her story as the wife of one of our "Fallen Astronauts" to borrow a phrase from Colin Burgess. Don Lind’s book "Mormon Astronaut" is heavy on religion in the first couple of short chapters which talk mostly about the Mormon Church. After that it is a very good well told story about a dedicated and inspiring life. I recommend the book to anyone who isn’t offended by seeing the word/name/title God in print. I’ve read Lind's book a couple of times and never once thought I need to check out the Mormon Church. I even mailed my copy to Don and Kathleen Lind asking them to sign it for me. Both did and they even returned it with a short nice note and a copy of the Book of Mormon. I'm still not offended nor have I become a Mormon. In fact the Lind's were so nice to me and people like Vance Brand and Jack Lousma talk so well of him I wish Don would attend an ASF or Nova Space show so I can meet him personally.
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ilbasso Member Posts: 1246 From: Greensboro, NC USA Registered: Feb 2006
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posted January 19, 2011 09:01 AM
Received mine in the mail yesterday - looks great! |
fredtrav Member Posts: 549 From: Birmingham AL USA Registered: Aug 2010
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posted January 19, 2011 10:05 AM
Got mine yesterday as well. Started reading it as well. Only a couple of pages but so far so good. |
xlsteve Member Posts: 318 From: Holbrook MA, USA Registered: Jul 2008
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posted January 19, 2011 11:58 AM
quote: Originally posted by AJ: Seriously? Someone wouldn't buy a book about a subject they're interested in because it might be about religion?
In my experience some normally open-minded and reasonable people get pretty touchy when the subject turns to religion. |
AJ Member Posts: 423 From: Plattsburgh, NY, United States Registered: Feb 2009
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posted January 19, 2011 01:14 PM
Apparently I get touchy too, but perhaps not in the same sense.  My copy of the book arrived today and I've already begun reading it. So far, it's excellent and there are some delightful photos throughout the book. |
Boggs SpaceBooks Member Posts: 107 From: Anderson, Indiana Registered: Oct 2000
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posted January 19, 2011 08:30 PM
We're through the first rush of orders of the book. Two things may be of interest to collectors: - This was the largest pre-order and first week follow-up of any signed book we have carried. Hansen's First Man was #2 in initial popularity.
- Since this is a numbered edition, there may be interest in knowing that Bill reserved the first 50 copies for family and close friends.
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ColinBurgess Member Posts: 1417 From: Sydney, Australia Registered: Sep 2003
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posted January 19, 2011 10:08 PM
I'm must admit I'm rather bemused by some of the posts regarding the title and content of Bill's book. So how many of the detractors own and have read "To Rule the Night" (biblical quotation) by Jim Irwin? |
MCroft04 Member Posts: 1085 From: Smithfield, Me, USA Registered: Mar 2005
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posted January 20, 2011 09:07 PM
Received my copy today, signed with a pen flown on Skylab. Can I assume that the ink was also flown? And yes I have already began reading it although I just started another book. |
Henry Heatherbank Member Posts: 103 From: Adelaide, South Australia Registered: Apr 2005
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posted January 21, 2011 02:50 AM
quote: Originally posted by ColinBurgess: I'm must admit I'm rather bemused by some of the posts regarding the title and content of Bill's book. So how many of the detractors own and have read "To Rule the Night" (biblical quotation) by Jim Irwin?
I am one of your "detractors", despite having previously confirmed that I will be buying the book. I also own Irwin's "To Rule The Night" (and for that matter Mary Irwin's "The Moon is Not Enough", and Don/Kathleen Lind's "Mormon Astronaut"). I also recognised and understood, at the time of purchasing each of these books, how they would be pitched given the openly held views of the authors. There was never any doubt about it in those instance, and they were and are very interesting, in their own ways. I believe the original point on this topic, to which I responded, was to get an idea about whether this book would be an account of Pogue's career as an astronaut, or a more philosophical work about his belief systems, or maybe both. While I don't "detract" from philosophical/ religious books by any stretch, I merely wanted an informed basis upon which to make a purchasing decision. That is, I want to read about Pogue's time as an astronaut. I did not necessarily want a philosophical book in this instance. I believe that question has been answered by others, and I have already ordered my copy. |
ea757grrl Member Posts: 472 From: South Carolina Registered: Jul 2006
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posted January 21, 2011 07:05 AM
My copy arrived the other day, and it's a really neat book. Any time Boggs SpaceBooks offers a signed book, it's a real treat, and this one is no exception. Pogue writes about his life and adventures with sensitivity and candor, and I'm finding it a satisfying read. Thanks to all involved for making it happen! |
Boggs SpaceBooks Member Posts: 107 From: Anderson, Indiana Registered: Oct 2000
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posted January 21, 2011 08:02 AM
quote: Originally posted by MCroft04: Can I assume that the ink was also flown?
Yes, the books are signed with one of the pens which flew on Skylab with Pogue and Bill is using the original ink which flew inside the pen! He had several of these from the mission and while some have run dry and we had some minor concern whether this one would last for the 1,000 books, it did indeed. I think this is a fair tribute to the manufacturer, Fisher, that the pen is still usable 38 years after its manufacture.------------------ Donald & Tamara Boggs Boggs SpaceBooks http://boggsspace.com |
liebeek Member Posts: 245 From: the netherlands Registered: Jan 2008
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posted January 21, 2011 11:41 AM
I ordered a copy and am a big fan of Bill Pogue. Looking forward to it and if ever there is another signed book I'm in. Thanks for the offer here. |