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Topic: KSC Visitor Complex: Launch Control Tour
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SpaceKSCBlog Member Posts: 119 From: Merritt Island, FL Registered: Nov 2011
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posted 06-09-2012 11:17 AM
The Kennedy Space Center Visitor Complex is now offering tours of the Launch Control Center (LCC). For the first time in more than 30 years, NASA is allowing Kennedy Space Center visitors inside the Launch Control Center - where NASA directors and engineers supervised all of the 152 launches including the space shuttle and Apollo programs.The KSC Up-Close: Launch Control Center (LCC) Tour, the second in Kennedy Space Center's special 50th anniversary series of rare-access tours, takes visitors inside Firing Room 4, one of the LCC's four firing rooms and the one from which all 21 shuttle launches since 2006 were controlled. Inside Firing Room 4, visitors will pass by the computer consoles at which engineers monitored the computerized launch control system's thousands of system checks every minute leading up to launch. They'll see the main launch countdown clock and many large video monitors on the walls, and enter the "bubble room," with its wall of interior windows through which the Kennedy Space Center management team viewed all of the proceedings below. Tours start June 15, 2012. |
onesmallstep Member Posts: 1310 From: Staten Island, New York USA Registered: Nov 2007
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posted 06-10-2012 03:59 PM
That's great. My only problem is they should have combined it with the VAB tour (it's right next door) so you don't pay for two separate tours. They must have their practical (and economic) reasons for doing it. |
Fezman92 Member Posts: 1031 From: New Jersey, USA Registered: Mar 2010
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posted 06-10-2012 09:46 PM
I am a bit surprised that they are only having it open for a few months. If there was more time, I would go down. Looks cool. |
cycleroadie Member Posts: 452 From: Apalachin, NY USA Registered: May 2011
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posted 06-11-2012 07:52 AM
I think due to the upcoming renovations, the VAB tour will be ending soon. If you check their website, they say they hope to offer the VAB tour through the summer. The LCC tour runs through the end of the year. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42988 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 06-11-2012 08:05 AM
The Visitor Complex announced on Friday that the VAB tour has been extended and will run through the end of the year as well. |
dabolton Member Posts: 419 From: Seneca, IL, US Registered: Jan 2009
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posted 06-11-2012 11:20 AM
I attended KSC family open house day in 2010. I walked through all the firing rooms. That is a memory I won't soon forget and I realize just how rare of an opportunity that was.
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wickball Member Posts: 107 From: Cleveland, Ohio, USA Registered: Jul 2005
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posted 06-11-2012 05:47 PM
Four firing rooms.Can anyone provide a brief description of the condition of the rooms not used recently and what missions those rooms were used for? |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42988 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 06-11-2012 06:10 PM
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SpaceKSCBlog Member Posts: 119 From: Merritt Island, FL Registered: Nov 2011
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posted 06-11-2012 06:15 PM
Am I correct that originally in the 1960s each firing room was dedicated to a corresponding VAB high bay? For example, Firing Room 1 to High Bay 1, Firing Room 3 to High Bay 3, etc.? |
wickball Member Posts: 107 From: Cleveland, Ohio, USA Registered: Jul 2005
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posted 06-11-2012 06:19 PM
Thanks, Robert, I just couldn't help but think government excess, was all that necessary. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42988 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 06-11-2012 06:23 PM
quote: Originally posted by SpaceKSCBlog: Am I correct that originally in the 1960s each firing room was dedicated to a corresponding VAB high bay?
I believe (but may be mistaken) that the firing rooms corresponded to mobile launch platforms, rather than high bays. |
Constellation One Member Posts: 119 From: Lorain, Ohio, USA Registered: Aug 2008
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posted 06-15-2012 10:21 AM
So has anyone taken the LCC tour yet?The KSC website states that you only tour Firing Room 4 and the lobby. Seems somewhat weak? Also note that the VAB tour is ending Nov. 30 per the reservation girl. Although I realy want to see them both, it seems like there is a lot of "fluff" attached to both of these tours to add up to 3 hours each. She also told me that they cannot both be done in one day. So figure $50 for the pass, and $25 for each tour, times three in the family is $300. Welcome to Florida! Another note: I remember in the '90's going through a firing room. We stood in the back and viewed computer monitors and screens. Any idea what I saw?! |
Hart Sastrowardoyo Member Posts: 3445 From: Toms River, NJ Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 06-15-2012 11:02 AM
The VAB tour was worth it because we got to see Atlantis. But you also get to go places that the regular tour does not. Where the regular tour stops at the 39A/B viewing site, we got to go closer to the pads before eventually heading to the Apollo-Saturn complex (as all tours do.) |
ilbasso Member Posts: 1522 From: Greensboro, NC USA Registered: Feb 2006
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posted 06-15-2012 11:49 AM
There wasn't necessarily a 1:1 correspondence between Firing Rooms, Mobile Launchers, and High Bays. There were several instances (Apollo 13, for example) where the stack was rolled around from one High Bay to another after the primary stacking, to provide for a shorter crawler ride to the pad.Also, it's my understanding, from a KSC web page I saw, that every Shuttle launch required two Firing Rooms. One was the primary and one housed support teams. I'm in the middle of a significant re-boot of my Apollo Launch Control website (and no, I've never been in the LCC - gotta go this year!!!). This page is the draft of my intro page on the Firing Rooms, with lots of views of each one in action. Here's a quick recap of the Firing Rooms, High Bays, and Mobile Launchers by mission during the Apollo era: |
onesmallstep Member Posts: 1310 From: Staten Island, New York USA Registered: Nov 2007
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posted 06-15-2012 01:34 PM
quote: Originally posted by Constellation One: I remember in the '90's going through a firing room. We stood in the back and viewed computer monitors and screens. Any idea what I saw?!
I believe you went to the (then-new) Apollo Saturn V center, which included a re-creation of a firing room during the Apollo 8 launch, complete with authentic consoles, video and sounds from the era. It was impressive when I first saw it in 1997, just after it opened. |
Bob Montanaro New Member Posts: 4 From: Registered: May 2012
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posted 06-17-2012 05:48 PM
Here are images from Saturday, 16 June 2012, morning's tour — the third public tour after two inaugural tours the day before — of the Kennedy Space Center Up-Close Launch Control Center tour. The tour is well done and leaves one wanting to see more. |
Jay Chladek Member Posts: 2272 From: Bellevue, NE, USA Registered: Aug 2007
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posted 06-18-2012 02:28 AM
quote: Originally posted by onesmallstep: I believe you went to the (then-new) Apollo Saturn V Center, which included a re-creation of a firing room during the Apollo 8 launch, complete with authentic consoles, video and sounds from the era. It was impressive when I first saw it in 1997, just after it opened.
The firing room display predated the Apollo Saturn V Center as I went through it in 1988 on a high school trip. I know that for sure since both the Saturn V and 1B were outside on display next to one another near the VAB. I don't recall exactly which building on KSC had it, but we took a tour bus onto the property and stepped off into a building to see this display (it was NOT the LCC we went into, I know that), then walked through a set of doors to see an unused Apollo CSM and LM on display after the firing room's launch display was done. When the Apollo Saturn V Center was built, the firing room display was transferred to it, expanded a little (such as the window shutters behind your head as you walk in) and made into what it is today. As for the four firing rooms, I also understand one of them was the primary room used for the DoD classified shuttle launches as it had encrypted communications equipment installed in it. But I am not sure which of the rooms that was. |
Jim Behling Member Posts: 1463 From: Cape Canaveral, FL Registered: Mar 2010
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posted 06-18-2012 06:02 AM
FR3 was used for DOD launches. At the time, FR4 was a partial one, and only could support OPF work and not pad ops. The firing room display used to be in the flight crew training building. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42988 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 02-07-2013 07:05 PM
The limited KSC Up-Close: The Launch Control Center Tour has been extended through (at least) March 31. |
robert_l Member Posts: 168 From: Dundee,Scotland Registered: Jul 2008
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posted 02-08-2013 03:15 PM
I took the advantage of the opening of both the VAB and LCC to visit KSC last month.It was amazing to get to see inside both. You have to do them on separate tours. We were taken into firing room 4, which was used for the latter shuttle missions. We also got to see through locked doors into firing room 2 which is currently been taken to bits. It was last used for Apollo 18 (movie)! It was amazing to be in the firing room. I have put some pictures on my Facebook page (Robert Law). |
spacescribe Member Posts: 21 From: Los Angeles, CA, USA Registered: Apr 2013
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posted 04-22-2013 11:22 AM
Are visitors on the tour allowed to explore the Launch Complex? I'd like to make the walk through the LCC walkway to the VAB. |
GACspaceguy Member Posts: 2476 From: Guyton, GA Registered: Jan 2006
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posted 04-22-2013 11:34 AM
quote: Originally posted by spacescribe: Are visitors on the tour allowed to explore the Launch Complex? I'd like to make the walk through the LCC walkway to the VAB.
It is still a working center so, no. |
Ronpur Member Posts: 1211 From: Brandon, Fl Registered: May 2012
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posted 12-14-2015 07:17 PM
Finally, going to get to take this tour on Wednesday. This is the last of the extra tours I have wanted to do. |
Ronpur Member Posts: 1211 From: Brandon, Fl Registered: May 2012
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posted 12-17-2015 05:29 AM
Great tour. My main impression is that it looks bigger on TV! |
p51 Member Posts: 1642 From: Olympia, WA Registered: Sep 2011
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posted 12-17-2015 10:39 AM
I did the tour with two good pals last year before we all headed to a Space Camp adult program session. It was a great tour and I was surprised to see nothing had changed since STS-135, all the markings for the consoles and the guide books on the shelves were still STS-135 marked. 
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Ronpur Member Posts: 1211 From: Brandon, Fl Registered: May 2012
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posted 12-17-2015 06:05 PM
Yes, I saw highlighters and post it notes on one desk. And all of those binders! The security guard told me that after the launch, everyone just left their desks as is, their jobs were done. Our guide, Jeff, was awesome, and the two security guards, Mary and another gentleman had stories of their own to add. |
pupnik Member Posts: 114 From: Maryland Registered: Jan 2014
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posted 12-17-2015 06:16 PM
What's up with those roofless cubicle-like offices in the back? Those weren't there two years ago when I took the tour. |
Ronpur Member Posts: 1211 From: Brandon, Fl Registered: May 2012
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posted 12-17-2015 06:30 PM
The tour guide said they were designed to be used as control rooms by any commercial companies that wanted to use the Pad 39B. One had a Christmas party going on in it while we were there. Food smelled great! Another had boxes of furniture and computers stacked in it. So far, no commercial companies are using them.... |
astro-nut Member Posts: 946 From: Washington, IL Registered: Jan 2006
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posted 11-26-2016 12:36 PM
Two weeks ago I had the opportunity to do the Launch Control Center tour at KSC. During the tour, the tour guide mentioned that Firing Room #2 had never been used for space shuttle launches. Does any collectSPACE member have information on what Firing Rooms were used for the space shuttle launches from STS-1 until STS-114? I have all the Apollo missions already and all shuttle missions from STS-121 until STS-135. Thank you for any information. |
astro-nut Member Posts: 946 From: Washington, IL Registered: Jan 2006
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posted 01-14-2017 10:55 AM
I was able to find information for Firing Rooms for some of the space shuttle launches, but still could use any help with the rest of list. I was able to locate the following: - STS 51-L used firing room 3
- STS-34 used firing room 1
- STS-31 used firing room 1
- STS-41 used firing room 3
- STS-35 used firing room 1
- STS-49 used firing room 1
- STS-50 used firing room 3
- STS-56 used firing room 3
- STS-51 used firing room 1
- STS-68 used firing room 1
- STS-74 used firing room 1
- STS-72 used firing room 1
- STS-80 used firing room 3
- STS-81 used firing room 1
- STS-82 used firing room 3
- STS-94 used firing room 1
- STS-85 used firing room 3
If any members has any other firing room launches information please post? Thank you! |