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posted 07-16-2009 02:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for flight_plan   Click Here to Email flight_plan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As an enthusiast for the Apollo era, I intend one day to visit the Historic Mission Control at the Johnson Space Center. I am a stickler for detail and wish to see it as near as original as possible but what worried me is how many of the command modules are bitsas’s and hence not as per flight. Or have they been put back to original as per flight status yet? After visiting the Astronaut Hall of Fame a few years back I noticed a consule that you could sit at stating it came from HMC. If this is the case I presume a fake is in its place at HMC? if so how many of the consoles there are original?

I watched a recent video of Gene Cernan revisiting HMC here on TV recently in the UK and was impressed when he said you can still smell the smoke so either that's pumped in for effect or original.

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posted 07-16-2009 03:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sy Liebergot   Click Here to Email Sy Liebergot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As I related in my autobio, there were 146 cosoles in Bldg 30 (MCC). Of these, only the 25 consoles on the third floor remain. You'll find some in museums, etc, around the country. I assisted the Seattle Museum of Flight and the Niagara Aerospace Museum in obtaining some of the original consoles. The console at the AHF may be one of the orphans.

Re: Cernan "Still smell the smoke.": Not a chance.

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posted 07-16-2009 04:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for flight_plan   Click Here to Email flight_plan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I never thought I would get a reply from one of the actual users of this equipment, so many thanks for your response and you have made my day/evening squire.

I do have your book and it is on my list to read so have not seen that bit yet.

Regarding the consoles that are left, if I wanted to see the actual consoles that Gene Kranz, Steve Bales or Charlie Duke sat at during Apollo 11 am I asking too much? (Told you I am a stickler.)

Is it only a view from behind glass or can I walk along each row of consoles?

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posted 07-16-2009 05:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MCroft04   Click Here to Email MCroft04     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How about the one that Sy sat at?

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Whoops, yes, forgot the most important one. I could sit there all day and read his book... ahhhhhhhh bliss.

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posted 07-16-2009 06:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sy Liebergot   Click Here to Email Sy Liebergot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All the MOCR consoles are there. That room has been designated a national historic site. Viewing is behind the viewing room glass, I believe.

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posted 07-16-2009 06:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GACspaceguy   Click Here to Email GACspaceguy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Go to the JSC web site and purchase the Level 9 tour package. That tour lets you go inside the room and sit at the actual consoles!

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posted 07-16-2009 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MCroft04   Click Here to Email MCroft04     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not every Level 9 tour gets to go into the control room (behind the glass). I think it depends upon other logistics scheduled for that day.

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Select groups of educators and students (I was with educators) have been able to spend an evening in the MOCR watching Apollo 13 while seated at the consoles. Quite an experience.

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My thanks to all for info especially the Level 9 info. I have seen some photos on various sites with people amongst the consoles, but then you often hear behind glass only. When I eventually get to go, (I waited 35 years to see KSC) I will inquire from the UK to ensure I get a front seat viewpoint (with Sy's book in hand of course). Whilst on that point, you can have lunch with an astronaut at KSC and have a Q&A session as well, so it would be great if HMC could do something similar with a name from that era to talk you through the place. Or is that an option already?

Watching Apollo 13 from that room must be fantastic.

In the late 60's (aged 12) watching our rented black and white (blurred) TV showing the people who worked here and the room itself, was the top of the tree for me regarding science and technology and was another world away from my run down Hackney, London Council flat, but it was one of the places/things that inspired me to get a qualification in engineering/electronics and a job with constant technical changes.

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posted 07-17-2009 09:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GACspaceguy   Click Here to Email GACspaceguy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The "old" Mission Control is on the Level 9 tour and it puts you in front of the glass and has been so each time I have gone. It is the "new" Mission Control that is always behind the glass and dependent on an ongoing mission. We were there last during the STS-125 flight and went inside the "old" control room and did not get to see the current Mission Control room as a spacewalk for Hubble was on going.

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Brilliant news. Thank you. Its the old one I am more interested in seeing from a seat point of view amongst the consoles. Great photos and I presume the cones under the screen are to reserve the next moon landing spot?

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posted 07-17-2009 08:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MCroft04   Click Here to Email MCroft04     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A bit of advice from a frequent visitor to the Space Center; save a lot of time to spend in the Skylab mockup. I walked through it quite a few times before I took the time to actually understand the entire machine.

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