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Topic: Photo of the week 304 (August 28, 2010)
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heng44 Member Posts: 3387 From: Netherlands Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 08-28-2010 03:17 AM
A view of the two drogue parachutes of the Skylab 3 command module as they unfurl during descent to splashdown in the Pacific Ocean. The picture was taken by a hand-held 70mm Hasselblad camera, looking up through one of the windows. |
Lasv3 Member Posts: 410 From: Bratislava, Slovakia Registered: Apr 2009
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posted 08-28-2010 07:20 AM
Beautiful shot! And very rarely seen. Even on 16mm onboards the drogues are usually out of camera angle and visible for very short time periods only. Thanks for posting this! |
garymilgrom Member Posts: 1966 From: Atlanta, GA Registered: Feb 2007
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posted 08-28-2010 09:51 AM
Thanks Ed. Can you tell us how the reseau marks (I think that's what the squares on the film are called) were used - can we calculate the diameter of the chutes from this data? |
heng44 Member Posts: 3387 From: Netherlands Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 08-28-2010 11:08 AM
Gary, somebody smarter than me probably could. I guess that was not the reason the marks were used for the photo. Probably the plate was just left in the camera after it was used on-orbit.I find it easier to look the diameter of the chutes up in one of the press kits (16,5 feet). |
music_space Member Posts: 1179 From: Canada Registered: Jul 2001
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posted 09-01-2010 12:47 AM
Gary, you have pwned yourself!You, a specialist in deceleration systems, of all people! |
Lasv3 Member Posts: 410 From: Bratislava, Slovakia Registered: Apr 2009
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posted 09-01-2010 08:22 AM
Ed, one question for (my) clarity. Is this the picture made by Bean, Garriott, Lousma crew or Carr, Gibson, Pogue crew? |
J.L Member Posts: 674 From: Bloomington, Illinois, USA Registered: May 2005
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posted 09-01-2010 10:10 AM
Skylab 3... Bean, Garriott and Lousma. |
Philip Member Posts: 5952 From: Brussels, Belgium Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 09-03-2010 01:28 PM
Basic Maths: You need the length of the cable and the tangens of the angle towards the diameter |
ilbasso Member Posts: 1522 From: Greensboro, NC USA Registered: Feb 2006
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posted 09-03-2010 11:45 PM
Jack Lousma told me at Spacefest that he took this photo. |
Lasv3 Member Posts: 410 From: Bratislava, Slovakia Registered: Apr 2009
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posted 09-04-2010 03:08 AM
It's a great one, and thanks for the crew info... |
LM-12 Member Posts: 3208 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Oct 2010
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posted 02-29-2016 10:49 AM
The two drogue chutes can be seen in the distance in photo SL3-114-1761 taken two frames later. There was also a parachute photo taken on Skylab 4. It is photo SL4-143-4723, which I have not seen. Do you have that image, Ed? |
heng44 Member Posts: 3387 From: Netherlands Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 02-29-2016 12:25 PM
Yes, plus the two images that follow it:
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LM-12 Member Posts: 3208 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Oct 2010
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posted 02-29-2016 12:33 PM
Terrific, Ed. Skylab 3 also had some splashdown photos taken from inside the CM. The frame numbers are SL3-114-1763 to 1767. Any good images there? |
Lou Chinal Member Posts: 1306 From: Staten Island, NY Registered: Jun 2007
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posted 03-04-2016 03:30 PM
Jack Lousma deserves an award for this photo. Thanks Ed. |
LM-12 Member Posts: 3208 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Oct 2010
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posted 03-04-2016 09:34 PM
During the Skylab 3 re-entry, there were three photos taken of the drogue chutes (frames 1757-1759), and three photos taken of the main chutes (frames 1760-1762).I do not think any similar photos were taken on Skylab 2. |
LM-12 Member Posts: 3208 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Oct 2010
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posted 03-09-2016 09:54 PM
quote: Originally posted by ilbasso: Jack Lousma told me at Spacefest that he took this photo.
Jack Lousma described the Skylab 3 CM re-entry and splashdown in his 2010 JSC Oral History interview: The temperature on the Shuttle heat shield gets up to 2,500 degrees, 3,000 or so on the leading edges, whereas the capsule heat shield gets up to 5,000 degrees. In the Apollo capsule, you’re looking backwards. Fragments of the heat shield are burning away to take the heat away from your spacecraft and they envelop the Command Module in kind of a sheath. They form a fireball about 30 feet in the direction you’re looking. You’re looking backwards at a shimmering, mean, hot looking fireball. It breaks up when you fire the thrusters on the spacecraft because you’ve got to roll the spacecraft to keep it on trajectory. Those thrusters are firing right by your head. It’s like having your head in a barrel with somebody beating on it with a sledgehammer. Bang bang bang, and there is all this rolling, and the fireball out there.Once again, the capsule is more dynamic. You get down to where you get through the major heat pulse and then you have to get the chutes out. To do that, you have to blow off the nose ring of the capsule. That goes tumbling off with a pyrotechnic bang and then you get these two small drogue chutes out at 25,000 feet. They’re white. They’re on lanyards that are about 30 feet long. They’re dancing around up there trying to slow you down and stabilize the spacecraft. Then at 10,000 feet you get rid of those drogue chutes. You cut them loose and quickly leave them behind. Now you really have a sinking feeling, and you get the main parachutes out. You’re below 10,000 feet now. You’re getting ready to hit the water. The chutes, as they come out, all scrunched up or gathered at the base in what is called a “reefed” configuration. That’s good, because you’re going fast, and if they were to blossom out immediately, the panels would be blown out. You have to slow down for a while. After a few seconds, those reefing lines are cut, the parachutes blossom out and then to their full size, and you wait for the landing. The capsule is suspended below the parachutes on an angle. The heat shield is not parallel to the ocean surface. You don’t want to do a belly flopper. The capsule hangs on an angle so when it hits the water, it slides in. It’s like a train wreck when you hit the water. If you hit on one side of the wave it’s going to be more of a train wreck than if you hit on the other side. When you splash down, you go completely submerged, and you come up either right side up or upside down. We bobbed up upside down in the Skylab. |
LM-12 Member Posts: 3208 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Oct 2010
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posted 03-10-2016 01:35 AM
If the three Skylab 4 images above are in sequence, shouldn't the parachute photo also have reseau marks (fiducials) and plate number '42' on it? I don't see them. |
randy Member Posts: 2176 From: West Jordan, Utah USA Registered: Dec 1999
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posted 03-10-2016 08:04 AM
If you look closely, they're there. |
LM-12 Member Posts: 3208 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Oct 2010
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posted 03-10-2016 09:44 AM
Everything points to them being there, but my eyesight isn't that good. I would need a high-res version of 4723 to see them.The first helicopter image was Photo of the Week 76 back in 2006. |
mach3valkyrie Member Posts: 719 From: Albany, Oregon Registered: Jul 2006
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posted 03-10-2016 01:30 PM
I had to get a magnifier to see them, but the marks and numerals are there. Interesting sequence of photos and good discussion. |
LM-12 Member Posts: 3208 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Oct 2010
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posted 03-10-2016 02:26 PM
Too bad all the photo numbers mentioned so far in this thread are "cataloged without image" on the Gateway to Astronaut Photography site. |