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heng44
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posted 08-28-2010 03:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for heng44   Click Here to Email heng44     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

A view of the two drogue parachutes of the Skylab 3 command module as they unfurl during descent to splashdown in the Pacific Ocean. The picture was taken by a hand-held 70mm Hasselblad camera, looking up through one of the windows.

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posted 08-28-2010 07:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lasv3   Click Here to Email Lasv3     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Beautiful shot! And very rarely seen. Even on 16mm onboards the drogues are usually out of camera angle and visible for very short time periods only. Thanks for posting this!

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posted 08-28-2010 09:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for garymilgrom   Click Here to Email garymilgrom     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Ed. Can you tell us how the reseau marks (I think that's what the squares on the film are called) were used - can we calculate the diameter of the chutes from this data?

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posted 08-28-2010 11:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for heng44   Click Here to Email heng44     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gary, somebody smarter than me probably could. I guess that was not the reason the marks were used for the photo. Probably the plate was just left in the camera after it was used on-orbit.

I find it easier to look the diameter of the chutes up in one of the press kits (16,5 feet).

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posted 09-01-2010 12:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for music_space   Click Here to Email music_space     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gary, you have pwned yourself!

You, a specialist in deceleration systems, of all people!

Lasv3
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posted 09-01-2010 08:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lasv3   Click Here to Email Lasv3     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ed, one question for (my) clarity. Is this the picture made by Bean, Garriott, Lousma crew or Carr, Gibson, Pogue crew?

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posted 09-01-2010 10:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for J.L   Click Here to Email J.L     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Skylab 3... Bean, Garriott and Lousma.

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posted 09-03-2010 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philip   Click Here to Email Philip     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Basic Maths: You need the length of the cable and the tangens of the angle towards the diameter

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posted 09-03-2010 11:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ilbasso   Click Here to Email ilbasso     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jack Lousma told me at Spacefest that he took this photo.

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posted 09-04-2010 03:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lasv3   Click Here to Email Lasv3     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's a great one, and thanks for the crew info...

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posted 02-29-2016 10:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The two drogue chutes can be seen in the distance in photo SL3-114-1761 taken two frames later. There was also a parachute photo taken on Skylab 4. It is photo SL4-143-4723, which I have not seen. Do you have that image, Ed?

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posted 02-29-2016 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for heng44   Click Here to Email heng44     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, plus the two images that follow it:

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posted 02-29-2016 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Terrific, Ed. Skylab 3 also had some splashdown photos taken from inside the CM. The frame numbers are SL3-114-1763 to 1767. Any good images there?

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posted 03-04-2016 03:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lou Chinal   Click Here to Email Lou Chinal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jack Lousma deserves an award for this photo. Thanks Ed.

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During the Skylab 3 re-entry, there were three photos taken of the drogue chutes (frames 1757-1759), and three photos taken of the main chutes (frames 1760-1762).

I do not think any similar photos were taken on Skylab 2.

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posted 03-09-2016 09:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ilbasso:
Jack Lousma told me at Spacefest that he took this photo.
Jack Lousma described the Skylab 3 CM re-entry and splashdown in his 2010 JSC Oral History interview:
The temperature on the Shuttle heat shield gets up to 2,500 degrees, 3,000 or so on the leading edges, whereas the capsule heat shield gets up to 5,000 degrees. In the Apollo capsule, you’re looking backwards. Fragments of the heat shield are burning away to take the heat away from your spacecraft and they envelop the Command Module in kind of a sheath. They form a fireball about 30 feet in the direction you’re looking. You’re looking backwards at a shimmering, mean, hot looking fireball. It breaks up when you fire the thrusters on the spacecraft because you’ve got to roll the spacecraft to keep it on trajectory. Those thrusters are firing right by your head. It’s like having your head in a barrel with somebody beating on it with a sledgehammer. Bang bang bang, and there is all this rolling, and the fireball out there.

Once again, the capsule is more dynamic. You get down to where you get through the major heat pulse and then you have to get the chutes out. To do that, you have to blow off the nose ring of the capsule. That goes tumbling off with a pyrotechnic bang and then you get these two small drogue chutes out at 25,000 feet. They’re white. They’re on lanyards that are about 30 feet long. They’re dancing around up there trying to slow you down and stabilize the spacecraft.

Then at 10,000 feet you get rid of those drogue chutes. You cut them loose and quickly leave them behind. Now you really have a sinking feeling, and you get the main parachutes out. You’re below 10,000 feet now. You’re getting ready to hit the water. The chutes, as they come out, all scrunched up or gathered at the base in what is called a “reefed” configuration. That’s good, because you’re going fast, and if they were to blossom out immediately, the panels would be blown out. You have to slow down for a while. After a few seconds, those reefing lines are cut, the parachutes blossom out and then to their full size, and you wait for the landing.

The capsule is suspended below the parachutes on an angle. The heat shield is not parallel to the ocean surface. You don’t want to do a belly flopper. The capsule hangs on an angle so when it hits the water, it slides in. It’s like a train wreck when you hit the water. If you hit on one side of the wave it’s going to be more of a train wreck than if you hit on the other side. When you splash down, you go completely submerged, and you come up either right side up or upside down. We bobbed up upside down in the Skylab.

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If the three Skylab 4 images above are in sequence, shouldn't the parachute photo also have reseau marks (fiducials) and plate number '42' on it? I don't see them.

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If you look closely, they're there.

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posted 03-10-2016 09:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Everything points to them being there, but my eyesight isn't that good. I would need a high-res version of 4723 to see them.

The first helicopter image was Photo of the Week 76 back in 2006.

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I had to get a magnifier to see them, but the marks and numerals are there. Interesting sequence of photos and good discussion.

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posted 03-10-2016 02:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Too bad all the photo numbers mentioned so far in this thread are "cataloged without image" on the Gateway to Astronaut Photography site.

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