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carmelo
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posted 05-10-2013 08:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for carmelo   Click Here to Email carmelo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can someone explain this? John Young in the 1990's with an old Apollo A7LB suit?

Rick Mulheirn
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posted 05-11-2013 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rick Mulheirn   Click Here to Email Rick Mulheirn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If memory serves me right, John Young was responsible in part for the development of the Apollo suits. Naturally, being one of only a handful of guys who have used the suit for real it would make sense for him to be involved in ongoing suit developments requiring him to test A7L and other suits from time to time.

I have somewhere a photo of John, taken at ILC in 2002, testing a prototype "Mars" suit.

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posted 05-11-2013 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mode1charlie   Click Here to Email mode1charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What an interesting photo. I'd love to see that other photo if you dig it up.

carmelo
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posted 05-11-2013 06:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for carmelo   Click Here to Email carmelo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But why a A7LB in 1990s? Is a some type of test?

dabolton
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posted 05-11-2013 11:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dabolton   Click Here to Email dabolton     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Must have been a nice memory to wear that style suit again.

LM-12
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posted 05-12-2013 08:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Apollo 16 LMP Charlie Duke also donned the suit again for this video clip on his website.

heng44
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posted 05-12-2013 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for heng44   Click Here to Email heng44     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Young photo was taken in 1999, but I don't know why. I have more photos from that suit fitting, which I'll post later.

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posted 05-13-2013 08:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for onesmallstep   Click Here to Email onesmallstep     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is a prototype suit hanging to the right in the background, which may be the same one in the photos shown posted just behind Young. He would be the ideal person to fit test any suit having done so since his selection in the late Mercury era. Which poses a question: is there a photo of him with a Mercury-type suit on, or did he begin with Gemini space suits in training?

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posted 05-13-2013 08:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rick Mulheirn   Click Here to Email Rick Mulheirn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From memory, the photo I have of John Young testing the prototype Mars suit (which annoyingly I can't find right now) at ILC was not the suit in the background of the above photo.

I am pretty sure it was a "soft suit" with none of the hard shell structures visible above.

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posted 05-13-2013 10:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mark plas   Click Here to Email mark plas     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would love to try on a A7LB suit. Any of the cS'ers ever had that opportunity?

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posted 05-13-2013 10:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rick Mulheirn   Click Here to Email Rick Mulheirn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not an A7L but I have tried an authentic shuttle EMU, helmet and visor assembly.

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posted 05-13-2013 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for heng44   Click Here to Email heng44     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

mikepf
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posted 05-13-2013 05:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mikepf   Click Here to Email mikepf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He just put on the first thing he grabbed out of his closet before going in to work that day.

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posted 05-13-2013 05:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stsmithva   Click Here to Email stsmithva     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mark plas:
I would love to try on a A7LB suit. Any of the cS'ers ever had that opportunity?

Sure, here's a shot of me just after I changed back into shorts and a t-shirt:

Oh, all right, I didn't actually put it on. Didn't occur to me to ask, actually, even though at the time there was nobody else besides me and a couple of nice folks from NASA in that tent at the 2007 Smithsonian Folklife Festival. Great, now I wish I'd asked!

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posted 05-14-2013 01:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kr4mula   Click Here to Email kr4mula     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's from the time I was at JSC and hanging around with some of the suit guys. The older gentleman with glasses on is Joe Kosmo. They're in the suit lab. I seem to remember this occuring at the time, so I'll dig aorund a bit to see if I can come up with a reason why it was done.

mode1charlie
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posted 05-14-2013 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mode1charlie   Click Here to Email mode1charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ed, thanks for posting that second set of photos.

Among the thoughts I had were how many of us would be able to fit into the same garments after 20 or 25 years?

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posted 05-15-2013 09:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dabolton   Click Here to Email dabolton     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Joe Kosmo was one of my childhood friends' dad. I always thought it was cool that his dad designed space suits. Its great to see him still get recognition.

carmelo
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posted 05-16-2013 11:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for carmelo   Click Here to Email carmelo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by onesmallstep:
Which poses a question: is there a photo of him with a Mercury-type suit on, or did he begin with Gemini space suits in training?
But Mercury suits not were tailored for Group 1?

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posted 05-17-2013 11:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kr4mula   Click Here to Email kr4mula     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, but remember that early on, John Young was assigned to work on pressure suits. As such, he was fitted for all manner of test and development suits, much more so than almost any of the other astronauts (excepting the couple of others that also worked suits). I haven't seen a picture of him in a Mercury suit, but it's possible he was in one at some point. I've heard stories about the various suit techs and engineers subbing as test subjects in suits that weren't made for them and fit them badly, so it's also possible that Young wore a Mercury suit for those purposes.

Cliff Lentz
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posted 05-24-2013 09:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cliff Lentz   Click Here to Email Cliff Lentz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A few years ago I was talking to a representative from ILC during Space day at the NASM. I remember him saying that during testing John Young was constantly challenging the designers by the way he abused the test suits. At the time I thought about what John and Charlie referred to as the Lunar Olympics while they were on the moon, basically jumping as high as they could. Duke would say in some of his speeches that he lost his balance and fell onto has PLSS backpack causing a moment of panic. I think if they were looking for the best way to truly test your suits, you should probably call John.

Rick Mulheirn
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posted 06-04-2013 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rick Mulheirn   Click Here to Email Rick Mulheirn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
With the help of a good friend I have managed to turn up the John Young suit test shot I referred to earlier in the post.

Known as an "I Suit" I believe this was an ILC prototype for a Mars suit.

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