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Topic: Unsung heroes of the space program/exploration
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moorouge Member Posts: 1441 From: U.K. Registered: Jul 2009
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posted 11-21-2012 11:51 AM
May I set the ball rolling with three unsung heroes of the space program/exploration: - Michael Minovitch was the young maths graduate who in 1961 came up with a solution to the '3 body problem'. This enabled him to work out and predict the path of a spacecraft to use the gravitation effect of planets and so accelerate a satellite to reach the outer planets.
- Gary Flandro, using the work of Minovitch, spotted the alignment that enabled the Voyager missions to be launched on their trip to the stars.
- Jack Garman was the man in the backroom that called the 'Go' on the 1201/2 alarms on Apollo 11. It was Jack who passed the message on to Steve Bales who then made the call. In fact, Jack had the alarms written down on a crib sheet, the notation beside them reading "Exect.O.F." meaning 'Executive Overflow'.
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Jay Gallentine Member Posts: 243 From: Shorewood, MN, USA Registered: Sep 2004
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posted 11-21-2012 09:17 PM
Nothing you say is untrue about Minovitch, but I would rapidly hesitate to categorize him as a 'hero'. He did indeed come up with a solution to the 3-body problem, but he was certainly not the first!Just to clarify, Minovitch was also not the first to use gravity to accelerate spacecraft - although he did perform important work in that regard. Also true that Flandro used the work of Minovitch, but he also used the work of the likes of Richard Battin and Krafft Ehricke, who both published gravity-assist papers years before Minovitch came along. Flandro's discovery of the Grand Tour Opportunity had absolutely nothing to do with Minovitch. Flandro discovered the Opportunity, Charles Kohlhase designed the mission, and Bud Schurmeier ran the project until shortly before launch. They are Voyager's Golden Triangle. Happy to elaborate further if you like, and thanks for posting! |
golddog Member Posts: 174 From: australia Registered: Feb 2008
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posted 11-21-2012 11:55 PM
John Houbolt |
ColinBurgess Member Posts: 1539 From: Sydney, Australia Registered: Sep 2003
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posted 11-22-2012 12:41 AM
John Paul Stapp |
moorouge Member Posts: 1441 From: U.K. Registered: Jul 2009
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posted 11-22-2012 01:30 AM
quote: Originally posted by Jay Gallentine: Flandro's discovery of the Grand Tour Opportunity had absolutely nothing to do with Minovitch.
I don't believe my original post suggested this. I just indicated that Flandro used, in part, the work done by Minovitch as a basis. However, many thanks for your contribution and I don't disagree with anything you said.  Just a small point. It would help if those posting names could include a brief explanation as to why they posted them. Not everyone will be aware of John Stapp or John Houbolt. |
gliderpilotuk Member Posts: 2996 From: London, UK Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 11-22-2012 05:41 AM
David G. Simons and Lieutenant Clifton C. McClure. |
star51L Member Posts: 117 From: Vilano Beach, FL, USA Registered: Aug 2002
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posted 11-22-2012 07:15 AM
Emil Schiesser (think mascons). |
Blackarrow Member Posts: 1972 From: Belfast, United Kingdom Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 11-22-2012 04:04 PM
The men who made the tools which were used to build the lunar module. (See, I think, the lunar module episode of "Moon Machines.") |
Grounded! Member Posts: 124 From: Bennington, Vermont, USA Registered: Feb 2011
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posted 11-22-2012 07:38 PM
I second John Houbolt for sticking to his guns promoting the LOR concept. |
bwhite1976 Member Posts: 134 From: belleville, IL USA Registered: Jun 2011
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posted 11-22-2012 09:52 PM
This is almost an impossible task, as there are thousands of people that contributed to the moon program. Regardless, my first thought was Joe Shea. |
Jay Gallentine Member Posts: 243 From: Shorewood, MN, USA Registered: Sep 2004
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posted 11-22-2012 10:28 PM
quote: Originally posted by moorouge: I just indicated that Flandro used, in part, the work done by Minovitch as a basis.
Gary Flandro's original discovery of the Grand Tour Opportunity, in June of '65, did not leverage any work of Minovitch's at all. Not even Flandro's subsequent development of sample Grand Tour missions made use of Minovitch's work.JPL's Charles Kohlhase and Paul Penzo worked on a team that weeded through over 10,000 possible Voyager flight trajectories. Minovitch was not on this team and did not work on the mission's design. The final Voyager 2 Neptune trajectories were calculated by Bob Cesarone at JPL. Not until the Voyager program was well underway did Minovitch review his reams of printouts and discover that they held a similar calculation to what Flandro had already submitted. Mike Minovitch certainly did a lot of work to develop the gravity-assist technique, and that work has been cited by many including Flandro. But Minovitch was not in the Voyager mix. At all. I don't wish to detract from the rest of this thread, so please feel free to contact me off-list if you'd like to discuss further. Alternatively we could begin a separate thread for just this topic. I thank you for the discussion! |
randy Member Posts: 1258 From: West Jordan, Utah USA Registered: Dec 1999
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posted 11-23-2012 09:09 AM
Guenter Wendt. |
Headshot Member Posts: 133 From: Streamwood, IL USA Registered: Feb 2012
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posted 11-23-2012 09:37 AM
I "third" John Houbolt. |
alanh_7 Member Posts: 854 From: Ajax, Ontario, Canada Registered: Apr 2008
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posted 11-23-2012 02:41 PM
Joe Schmitt, Al Rochford, Ron Woods and the many other suit tech and life support people who quietly carried out their duties and through superior knowledge training and experience were often able to save missions from technical gliches that could have caused delays. They never get the credit they deserved. |
canyon42 Member Posts: 152 From: Ohio Registered: Mar 2006
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posted 11-23-2012 04:47 PM
Gene Shoemaker and Lee Silver, for helping to make the lunar voyages more about knowledge and investigation. |
Kite Member Posts: 220 From: Northampton UK Registered: Nov 2009
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posted 11-24-2012 05:41 AM
Following on from previous post Farouk El-Baz for his work with the CMP's studying and surveying the Lunar surface from orbit. |
wickball Member Posts: 72 From: Cleveland, Ohio, USA Registered: Jul 2005
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posted 11-24-2012 02:33 PM
Carl Sagan |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 26584 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 11-24-2012 02:48 PM
How is Carl Sagan, one of the most well-known space personalities, unsung? For that matter, I think the wonderful treatment provided Farouk El-Baz, Lee Silver and John Houbolt, as well as Guenter Wendt, by Tom Hanks' "From the Earth to the Moon" would put these fine gentlemen into a separate category from the "unsung." If this was Hollywood, then perhaps they would be on the so-called, "D-List," with the "A-List" stars being astronauts like the late Neil Armstrong and Sally Ride, and flight director Gene Kranz (due to "Apollo 13"), whereas the "B-List" would be other lesser-known astronauts and flight directors. The "unsung" are those for which there are no book mentions, no television adaptations, no movies, no recollection of their still important roles in space exploration... |
wickball Member Posts: 72 From: Cleveland, Ohio, USA Registered: Jul 2005
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posted 11-24-2012 02:52 PM
Robert, I misread the thread, sorry. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 26584 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 11-24-2012 03:03 PM
No problem, but I think the distinction is probably a good one to consider: there is a difference between "unsung" and not being a household name. Most of the Apollo astronauts are not remembered by name by a large portion of the public, but never would I suggest that any of them have gone unsung.
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canyon42 Member Posts: 152 From: Ohio Registered: Mar 2006
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posted 11-24-2012 03:22 PM
Well, Robert, by your definition of the term, none of the people mentioned so far in the thread are gonna qualify...I would agree that there is a difference between "household name" (although I doubt that anyone from the space program qualifies as truly a household name in the most general sense aside from Armstrong, Glenn, and maybe Shepard and Sally Ride) and "unsung," but I suppose you could also argue that there are a whole lot of different levels for the term unsung. |
wickball Member Posts: 72 From: Cleveland, Ohio, USA Registered: Jul 2005
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posted 11-24-2012 03:47 PM
Unless you grew up in the 80's, Carl Sagan is an unknown hero. |
micropooz Member Posts: 1225 From: Washington, DC, USA Registered: Apr 2003
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posted 11-24-2012 06:11 PM
I have a favorite story about one of the "unknowns" – Bill Tindall who provided the top autograph on this Apollo 8 KSC Official cachet.  Tindall was the lead trajectory analyst that defined how to rendezvous during Gemini and how to get to the moon for Apollo, the latter of which was so resoundingly demonstrated on Apollo 8. One of Tindall’s most famous products was his series of “Tindallgrams” where he documented the development of the trajectory decisions made and techniques with humor and irreverence. He was well known around JSC, and talked about in Charles Murray and Catherine Bly Cox's "Apollo The Race to the Moon", but had certainly not been a household name. In 1993 JSC had an Apollo 8 25th Anniversary Celebration featuring the crew and all of the autographees shown above. Tindall was honored with many kind words about figuring out how to get the crew to the moon, making it happen, and getting the crew back on the very first try. After the celebration I approached Tindall for an autograph. He asked "You want an autograph from ME? Are you sure?". Then when he finished autographing my cover, someone else approached him for an autograph. He told that guy "You are the second person who has ever asked me for an autograph, and (pointing at me) there is the first!"  Bill Tindall was a humble and humorous unsung hero. He passed away in 1995.
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moorouge Member Posts: 1441 From: U.K. Registered: Jul 2009
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posted 11-25-2012 01:41 AM
As the originator of this thread, may I say that I'm in broad agreement with Robert's definition of 'unsung'. [It's not often that we agree either!!! ]To go back to my original post for an example. Steve Bales, in most accounts of the Apollo 11 1201/2 alarms, gets the credit for making the "Go" call. In actual fact, when the call came through the only person in Mission Control that knew what they were was Jack Garman. He made the call and gets very little credit for it. To me, this makes him an 'unsung hero'. |
jasonelam Member Posts: 432 From: Monticello, KY USA Registered: Mar 2007
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posted 11-25-2012 08:11 AM
I've been seeing John Houbolt's name being mentioned, but I think the real unsung hero is Tom Dolan, who proposed the first fully developed concept for LOR. He was ignored by NASA until Houbolt championed the cause. |
kr4mula Member Posts: 588 From: Cinci, OH Registered: Mar 2006
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posted 11-26-2012 12:54 PM
If you want to name names for unsung heroes, browse the list of JSC Oral History Project Particpants and pick a name you've never heard of and you'll find one of those unsung heroes with a fascinating story.I would also say that there are an awful lot of contractors who should go on the list of unsung heroes. A few have some name recognition becuase of "From the Earth to the Moon" or they've written books (Tom Kelly, Harrison Storms, etc.), but most of them received even less recognition than their NASA counterparts. |
onesmallstep Member Posts: 416 From: Staten Island, New York USA Registered: Nov 2007
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posted 11-26-2012 03:39 PM
I would add as unsung (to most of us space followers and the public at large), the workers who literally stiched together the bundles of computer memory wiring used in Apollo CM and LM computers. Without their handiwork (as shown in the documentary series 'Moon Machines'), a flight to and landing on the Moon would not have been possible. |
Blackarrow Member Posts: 1972 From: Belfast, United Kingdom Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 11-26-2012 03:52 PM
Jack Kinzler springs to mind. His fingerprints were all over the most iconic aspects of the golden age of space: the Apollo 11 flag, the Apollo 11 plaque, Al Shepard's "golf-club", and the Skylab parasol, to name a few. Without delving into my records I can't remember the details, but I recommend some research to see the contribution of Jack Kinzler. Out of the 400,000 he was one of the most hard-working, inventive and ingenious. Best of all, he might be reading this (in which case, I salute you, sir!) |