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DJS
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posted 06-30-2011 09:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DJS   Click Here to Email DJS     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know that, Gene Cernan, Joe Engle, and Ed Gibson all crashed helicopters and that in Cernan's case there was an investigation. Were there also investigations into Engle's and Gibson's crashes?

mjanovec
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posted 06-30-2011 06:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is an investigation after EVERY crash.

wickball
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posted 06-30-2011 07:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wickball   Click Here to Email wickball     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Still trying to dig up some dirt, DJS?

Steve Procter
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posted 07-01-2011 03:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steve Procter   Click Here to Email Steve Procter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I tend to let my curiosity lean towards more positive aspects of aviation and spaceflight.

To answer your question, yes, there will always be an investigation by the appropriate authority in whichever country an accident occurs. Depending on what and where it will be conducted by civilian or military authorities.

I wasn't aware of Joe Engle's helicopter flying accident (I am with Gibson's) I assume it was during his pre-NASA days.

golddog
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posted 07-01-2011 05:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for golddog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I read that Joe Engle had an engine failure in a helicopter at night and only through his experience and skill was able to perform an auto rotation landing at night - I think that was in Walt Cunningham's book but not sure.

DJS
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posted 07-01-2011 07:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DJS   Click Here to Email DJS     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It was in Walt Cunningham's book and Deke's book. However, neither said the cause of the accident. It may have been engine failure or he may have ran out of gas.

Delta7
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posted 08-05-2013 10:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delta7   Click Here to Email Delta7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm curious as to why Ed Gibson was checked out to fly helicopters as an astronaut. I was under the assumption that this was part of training to fly the lunar module. Was Gibson in the pool of astronauts being trained as potential lunar landing crew members?

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posted 08-06-2013 08:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Skylon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Delta7:
I'm curious as to why Ed Gibson was checked out to fly helicopters as an astronaut. I was under the assumption that this was part of training to fly the lunar module. Was Gibson in the pool of astronauts being trained as potential lunar landing crew members?

I was never clear on that either. Slayton's account concludes with the crash having no effect on Gibson's career and that it was clear "there weren't going to be many scientist-astronauts landing on the moon, anyway." I also thought helicopter training was limited to LM pilots, as Mike Collins lamented when he was reassigned from LMP to CMP on Frank Borman's crew that there would be "no more helicopter training."

But, I suppose its possible that everyone was checked out on helicopters and then, priority was given to assigned CDR's and LMP's, while the 1965 and 1966 guys still working support jobs had access to practice for potential LMP slots and assigned CMP's ranked last at access to helicopters.

Delta7
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posted 08-06-2013 03:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delta7   Click Here to Email Delta7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Did Owen Garriott, Joe Kerwin and Curt Michel undergo helicopter training as well?

ilbasso
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posted 08-06-2013 10:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ilbasso   Click Here to Email ilbasso     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have talked with Fred Haise and Al Worden about their days flying helicopters.

astro-nut
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posted 08-11-2013 09:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for astro-nut   Click Here to Email astro-nut     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When did Joe Engle and Ed Gibson crash their helicopters? Looking for the actual dates of the crashes. Thank you.

rdmeyersr
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posted 01-03-2014 08:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rdmeyersr   Click Here to Email rdmeyersr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ed Gibson crashed on August 2, 1969. It was a Saturday night. Will report more when I can.

David C
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posted 01-03-2014 10:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for David C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by golddog:
I read that Joe Engle had an engine failure in a helicopter at night and only through his experience and skill was able to perform an auto rotation landing at night - I think that was in Walt Cunningham's book but not sure.

I was talking to an Apollo astronaut recently about Joe's mishap, and that's a rather rose tinted version of events.

moorouge
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posted 01-03-2014 01:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moorouge   Click Here to Email moorouge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by rdmeyersr:
Ed Gibson crashed on August 2, 1969. It was a Saturday night. Will report more when I can.

There were only two helicopter crashes investigated by the FAA for that date.

The first took place at Bishop, Cal. at 08.55. It was caused by a tail low landing caused by an improper level off and improper use of the flight controls.

The second was at Hill City, SD. at about midday. It happened on initial climb-out with the helicopter colliding with wires and a pole.

In both instances the pilot was unnamed and not injured. So, was either of these Gibson?

On edit - having failed to find details of Cernan's incident on the FAA accident report listings, could it be that NASA crashes weren't investigated or were the reports censored?

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