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Robert Pearlman
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posted 01-05-2005 09:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The following release appeared on the wires today:
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A documentary film director is seeking people who knew astronaut Gus Grissom and participated in America's race to the moon in the 1960s. Scott Grissom, son of Gus Grissom and co-producer of a film simply entitled "Gus," said from his Houston home, "I hope those who lived and worked on the Mercury, Gemini and Apollo space programs will contact us and share with the world their stories about my Dad and the space program."

Director Mark Estabrook will be in Florida during January and February of 2005 to collect interviews from retired NASA and contractor personnel: "To my knowledge, Gus Grissom has never been accurately portrayed in the media. I am especially interested in hearing from people who participated in the space program who can share direct knowledge of Gus and the space race."

Scott Grissom spent a number of years researching his father's death in the fire of Apollo 1. On January 27, 1967, tragedy struck the Apollo program when a flash fire occurred in Command Module 012 during a launch pad test of the Apollo/Saturn space vehicle being prepared for the first piloted Apollo mission. Three astronauts, including Lt. Col. Virgil I. Grissom, a veteran of Mercury and Gemini missions, died in the tragic incident.

Scott Grissom is hopeful that former NASA and North American Aviation employees working on Pad 34 on January 27, 1967, will contact Estabrook at 901-382-9040 to schedule an interview: "All of the early space pioneers are older and I want to get their oral history recorded before it's too late." Stories and anecdotes about Gus in the Mercury and Gemini programs are also welcome.


Estabrook, in addition to being identified above as a documentary film director, is elsewhere on the web credited with authoring a petition for "New Apollo 1 Fire Investigation and Hearings" and is the owner of the URL apollo1.info, Scott Grissom's website "Apollo 1:Sabotage, Murder and Cover-Up?". Those who may respond to Estabrook's request for interviews may want to consider his background as well.

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Jim Lewis would be one of the first people that comes to mind. Besides being a great guy, he's got 38 years of NASA history under his belt, along with working with Gus for years.

Gunther would be another, how about Wally Schirra & Scott Carpenter? I'm sure there can't be too many others who would know him better.

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I keep reading that Scott Grissom is a commercial airline captain.

Does anyone know what airline he flys for?

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Scott flies for FedEx, or did a couple of years ago.

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While there are innumerable people around who would normally be more than happy to assist in a respectful tribute to Gus Grissom and the crew of Apollo 1, could I suggest that folks take note of Robert Pearlman's carefully-worded admonition at the foot of his post, and read through the links to get a far better understanding of this proposed project?

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I'm well aware (as most are?) of Scott Grissom's conviction that his Dad, Ed White and Roger Chaffee were killed to ensure their silence in the run-up to the moon missions.

Personally, I couldn't imagine anything further removed from the truth. In his position I guess it would have been easy to come to such a conclusion but IMHO I don't think there could have been anything sinister with NASA's intentions. Scott lost his father and clearly has a lot of hurt and anger pent up deep inside which manifests itself in these claims.

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posted 01-06-2005 11:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DavidH   Click Here to Email DavidH     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well said, Colin.

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What exactly is the thought process here? Does the film maker and Scott think there was a plot between the top NASA people and the top guys from North American Aviation? Sitting around a conference table are we to believe they had the following conversation.

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NASA Boss: Gee we sure have a lot of problems with the Apollo 1 spacecraft, how ever shall we fix them all in time for the launch?

North American Big wig: Why fix the problems at all?

NASA Boss: You dont mean delay the launch? We can't do that! It would make us all look bad! We have never delayed anything and we never will!"

North American: No of course not! What Im suggesting is we place a bomb in the spacecraft to blow it all to hell and kill the astronauts in the process. We'll do it on the ground, not in space. That way no one will notice or even care. Then we can make a fresh start and everyone comes out looking good.
NASA: What a brilliant idea! Its the perfect solution to all our problems! But we have to get everyone to play along. (Turning to a NASA astronaut he asks) What do you think? Will the other Astronauts play along if we bump off three of their mates?

NASA Astronaut: Sure they will! Since its for the good of the program wed all be thrilled to do our part to play along with this evil plot. Besides it would give us the opportunity to dress up in out fancy dress uniforms for the state funerals. We just love to do that!"

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Is that how it supposedly all went down?

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A few more thoughts about this topic.

If Mark Estabrook thinks the supposed murder of the Apollo 1 crew was carred out at the top level it would mean that James Webb, Harrisan Storms and Frank Borman were all involved. That isn't just absured, it's offensive.

Or does Estabrook think it was just a crazy tech who desided to take matter into his own hands and everyone has been covering for the guy for the last 37 years? What is to be gained from protecting a crazed murderer?

Perhaps both Mark Estabrook and Scott need to take a time out.

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The idea that anyone could even begin to suggest that NASA purposely killed the Apollo I crew makes me so angry it is hard for me to actually type this message.

This kind of ridiculous and disrespectful reporting is an insult to Gus, Ed and to Roger. Those men died in a horrific and tragic ACCIDENT, one that will never be forgotten by anyone with a passion for space flight history.

NASA didn't just lose three employees that day, they lost family... and the seriousness of that loss can still be felt today.

Hold your glasses up gentlemen and honor the memory of three brave men...

Cheers.

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Amen Dana!

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Before you guys go off on more tangents with theories about Scott Grissom, Mark Estabrook and Area 51, John F Kennedy, or time travel in an alternate universe, let me set you straight. If I may, since I might know just a little about this film.

This documentary is about Gus Grissom. Get it? From his early youth in Mitchell, Indiana to his death on the pad. For anyone to postulate about what my intentions are as a director is to show their ignorance in general.

These kinds of threads are hurtful to the Grissom family. I would hope that you refrain from telling the world what Scott and my intentions are, and wait until the film comes out before you criticize it. You might be pleasantly surprised, and yes, you might just learn a thing or two about Gus, NASA and space history in the process.

Sincerely,
Mark Estabrook
Director, "Gus"

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Originally posted by Mark Estabrook:
This documentary is about Gus Grissom. Get it? From his early youth in Mitchell, Indinia to his death on the pad.

That's great to hear, Mark. Certainly, any effort to highlight the life of Gus Grissom - a highly respected astronaut among this community and others - is to be commended.

So to clarify and avoid further tangents, will you confirm that this project will not make any mention of theories relating to the AS-204 fire and (if referring to the accident) will only rely on the findings of the NASA Review Board?

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These kinds of threads are hurtful to the Grissom family.

Some of the things Scott, his family, and his supporters have done and/or posted to other forums (such as sci.space.history) have been (at least in my and others' opinions) hurtful to the good legacy of his father. I am sure it was not intended that way as I no doubt believe that he/they are doing what they think is right, but their actions have no less soured many to any project that originates with their involvement.

I, as I am sure many others here, would enjoy seeing a respectful and historically accurate documentary produced about Grissom. I think you will find this community very supportive if you can assure us that your intentions are clearly likewise.

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Thanks for coming on board Mark, and trying to clear the air. As you can see, the past happenings reignited some raw nerves over the tragic Apollo 1 fire.

It would be helpful - as Robert suggests - that you come back and confirm that this will not be a bio that culminates in conspiracy theories in regards to the fire. Simply showing what a hero Gus is, would be fantastic - WITHOUT the suggestions etc.

If thats the idea, then Im sure you would have legions of followers here, and elsewhere, to assist you in your goal. Im sure you can see why folks might be concerned.

Excellent point Robert.

Cheers!

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Dear Mark

Welcome to the board. I noticed from the link to the web site at the top of this string that your name is the first on the petition calling for a new investigation into the Apollo 1 fire.

Along with your signature you added the following note:

"The Apollo 1 families deserve to know who murdered their brave husbands and fathers, and why NASA lied to the American people."

Mark, those are your words not mine. They speak volumes about your mind set and intentions.

Gordon

P.S. Here is the link showing your comments on the Apollo 1 fire.
http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?Apollo1&451

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Hi Mark, and welcome to collectSPACE. Scott and I have corresponded often over recent years, and he even supplied information and went through the Apollo 1 chapter of my book "Fallen Astronauts" on behalf of the Grissom family to make sure it was entirely in keeping with the facts. There was no mention in there of possible cover-ups or conspiracies, and as Scott knows, it was a simple, respectful tribute to Gus and his crew. We still correspond from time to time on issues relating to memorialising his father and the crew of Apollo 1, so I'm not entirely out of the picture - although this is the first I've heard of this project.

I am truly hopeful that any proposed documentary about Gus would likewise be respectful and sincere, and not go where it shouldn't. Apart from communicating with Scott, I also came into personal contact with many children of other fallen astronauts, and the loss and memories remain all too painful for them. As you'll appreciate, Gus's reputation has been badly bruised over the years, particularly in the film adaptation of "The Right Stuff," and it would be good to offer a documentary characterisation of him as the incredibly gutsy, talented, skillful, diligent, investigative and resourceful man he was. It is my sincere hope that this is where you are heading, as many of us grow tired of influential people saying we didn't go to the moon, that space research is a waste of money, that astronauts have encountered flying saucers, and that there's no imperative for us to go out and explore space while there's people starving on the steets of New York. Many of us give talks at schools and like institutions, and we grow weary of having to constantly present cases against these absurd assertions and suggestions, which in many cases are only the by-product of someone expounding sensation for reasons of profit - not history.

I'm certainly not one to pre-empt what you might be setting out to do, but as other collectSPACE correspondents have suggested, your past words and deeds seem to point in an unfavourable direction. And like so many others in this wonderfully eclectic group I'm just seeking an assurance that the memory and achievements of a great man and his colleagues are not going to be further clouded by theories, finger-pointing, and slamming NASA up against a wall.

I think a positive response by you to Robert Pearlman's questions would certainly set me at ease, as well as a lot of other people who truly admire the life and accomplishments of Gus, and Ed and Roger.

Ad Astra!

Colin

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I will not put my name on a film that does not show both sides of the story. I have had my opinions shift since I started covering this story on Scott and his family. Rest assured, the truth is still out there. We don't have all the answers, but each month that goes by, we learn a little bit more.

I will not present anything in this film that cannot be backed up with evidence, with one exception: criticism. I invite and encourage those from the NASA and their contractors of the era to refute anything Scott has uncovered or the government has released as a result of the Freedom of Information Act. But do it on film. And remember, much of what we have been asking for is still classified. Only Americans asking for a new investigation will make those files available.

There is new information coming out all of the time. It is a slow laborius process and all I ask is that you hold your attacks until after the film is released and you have a chance to view it.

This is not an attack on NASA. I never said NASA murdered Gus. But the American people and the families deserve better than what they were told in 1967. That is all I can say at this point, without engaging in a debate about what we have. If an independent investigation says Scott is wrong, then our system has spoken and the dust will settle.

Yes, I have helped Scott set up a website. But in all honesty, I have stepped aside from the very beginning to let him do with it as he pleases. I am not a poster in the forum, and I rarely engage in posts like this one. I respond here because of the press release I sent out seeking interviewees. In my opinion, it does no good to engage in personal attacks from either side of this issue. Gus deserves better than that. He deserves for people who knew him to step forward and give an oral history. That's it. It's that simple. No one is trying to manipulate someone into admitting little green men run the White House or that we never went to the moon, etc., etc..

Scott may not be the best communicator in the world, but he loved his Dad. He didn't ask for this stuff, it literally fell into his lap when NASA attempted to bury the CM in concrete with the Challenger. Only when reporters contacted his Mom did he go up to Langley to inspect the CM to see if it could be recovered for permanent, respectful display. Events unfolded from there. Scott is not posting all he knows because I have asked him not to. I have asked him to save it for the film rather than debate with thousands on the internet.

In conclusion, I come to the space community with an open hand. Help me give Gus a grand tribute, as a gift to the Grissom family and the next generation that follows us. Gus made the ultimate sacrifice for science and space exploration. The least we can do is hear his life story from all its highs, as well as lows.

With the deepest respect,
Mark Estabrook

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Dear Mark

There in one thing that Scott, you and I all have in common. We are all pilots. As pilots we know that sometimes wonderful people die in accidents. When that happens we mourn those who have left us but after that we move on with our lives. We move on out of respect for those who have died.

Do you really think that Gus and the others would want to be mourned 38 years after their passing? How much is enough? Scott lost his dad and Im very sorry. But do you know what? I lost my dad to. Lots of guys have lost parents, siblings and even children. Are we all suppose to be emotional cripples? I dont want or need pity. Do you want pity? Does Scott want pity?

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Thank you for responding Mark, and for taking the time to participate in our forum to more fully describe your project.

I hope you can understand that what is said here is not intended as a personal attack, but rather deeply-rooted concern in how Grissom's legacy is carried forth. Sometimes, being too close to a particular story (such as being a family member) can cloud good judgment as to what is accepted fact and what is tainted by emotional or sentimental bias.

Obviously, you will produce your film as you so choose. However, if you desire the full cooperation of the space history community, then you must be ready to leave speculation and biased controversy on the cutting room floor. An open mike oral-history serves very few as it provides no context for the validity of the information being presented.

Consider that the reasons you outlined as to why "both sides" must be provided a voice read very similar, if not nearly identical, to those who would have us believe we never went to the Moon (not that I am suggesting you believe in such). The 'professional' hoaxers (those who sell books, videos or establish pay-per-view internet sites) uniformly describe having "evidence" that is either confirmed within still-classified (and unidentified) archives, or that they cannot share unless packaged first within a for-profit project. They use urban legends (such as the Challenger being encased in concrete) coupled with a poor understanding of basic scientific and engineering priniciples to further their case, rather than reject statements told to them at face value and consult those with the first-hand knowledge and experience to know better.

As has been asked of him on sci.space.history and elsewhere, if Scott truly believes he has sustainable evidence, then he should bring it all forth for the world to see, study and debate. He should be ready to defend his beliefs but also be open-minded to accept being corrected. As for yourself, research and verification should preface reporting, not vice versa. You, Scott, and I will only be on this planet a finite time, but your film will outlive us all. You, I or anyone seeking to document history, owes it to future viewers to present a clear presentation of the facts, not speculation.

As others have stated, a documentary aimed at celebrating the accomplishments of Gus Grissom would be warmly received, if not cheered. However, I feel to use your film and his death to raise questions where debate does not exist beyond that of a few individuals is a disservice to the hundreds of thousands who worked to make Apollo possible.

Respectfully,

Robert Pearlman, Editor

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"Scott is not posting all he knows because I have asked him not to. I have asked him to save it for the film rather than debate with thousands on the internet."

Mr. Estabrook:
The above statement is simply mind-boggling to me. If such evidence exists, its value to history and to the American people far exceeds the profit value from anyone's film. If the evidence exists, it should be brought forth right now.

As a fellow Hoosier and aviator (although nowhere near his level!), I have always had a special respect for Gus and what he accomplished in his career. I agree with the feelings of others who would welcome anything that would honor the memory and accomplishments of Gus Grissom. I also agree that some of your previous statements make it hard to believe that this will happen.

Again, please submit any and all information you have now. Saying that you have information that will not be released until your film is released, and money is made, reeks of a moon-hoax type conspiracy theory.

Respectfully,

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I wish all of you well. But I do not have time to debate whether a film should or should not be made. Or whether I should put my script out for thousands to edit prior to production.

Research has been going on now for ten years, with more being done as we speak. Scott has no debt to pay to your or any other internet group; his family has paid all the debts they intend to pay.

As for me, I'm off to make a documentary. I encourage all of you to do the same.

Good luck, and signing off.

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Thanks, Mr. Pearlman and Mr. Mark Eastabook for your remarks on the Apollo 1 Fire.
I was approached some years ago by Scott and Mr. Estabook's writer for my comments about the fire. Scott showed me pictures and gave me his theory on how the fire started. I did not agree with him then and even after much investigation to see if his theory held water, I still believe that he is far out of line.
His theory starts with an aluminum plate, origin unknown that was in the same bag as the supposed electrical plug that could have shorted out, even though there is no visual evidence of a short,found during his trip to Langley to look at the Spacecraft.
I tried to tell him that even if this plate was mounted near or behind the plug in question, it would be impossible to short out the wires because the wires going to the plug was encapsuled in epoxy and it would be impossible to access the wires idividually.
Anyone familiar with Aircraft wire and plug assembly knows that there is a boot made of fiberglas or epoxy around the connection point to prevent such a short. Then after assembly, each wire is megered to test for shorts and wire insulation damage.
He would not listen, maintaining that someone, either in NASA or North America Aviation, sabatoged the ship to keep his dad from being the first on the moon.
Going back a little in time, there was a book called "Murder On Pad 34" which was based on inuendoes, gossip and just made up stuff that was proved to be just a fabrication of someones vivid immagination. Scott was only twelve at the time and of course he got to read it. I think this book set in motion the thoughts that he has today that his father was murdered.
I, as a member of the Launch team, am highly indignamt that some one could accuse the launch team, or NASA of something this gross and to make a movie for someone's monetary enhancemant is strickly sick, sick, sick.
As I told his writer, it is better to let sleeping dogs sleep. Things might come out that he or his family might not appreciate because none of us are sqeeky clean.
We have to examine what was happening during that time period. We were in a race to get to the Moon and things were done to speed the process, shortcuts were the name of the Game and speed was of the essence.
NASA and the Astronauts were right in the middle of things, demanding that we stay on schedule, regardless of what it took so they could get to the moon. Overlooking the minute details was the name of the game.
This was called "Moon Fever"
But to say that we murdered his dad is cutting way below the belt, particular when Gus Grissom as Chief Apollo Engineer made many of the decisions that later proved to be fatal to him and Spacecraft 12.
Judging from the ream of e-mails from his writing group, which I would be happy to publish on this forum,I can see where his investigation is going. Estabook is not looking for the truth but to make money, something I feel is not right.
My own book will be donated to the Space Walk of Fame in Florida when I feel it is time to release because it is our story, not mine, about the men and women that made space travel possible.
As for Mr. Estabook, I hope he has plenty of money because he's going to be open to plenty of lawsuits if he bases his film on what various individuals are supposed to have done or said.

In closing, I want to apologise for not participating in the forum for a while. I found that the remarks were getting out of hand and nothing good would come out of it.
I still believe that Gus got a raw deal from the Mercury project, from NASA, news Media and his fellow astronauts.
I also feel that this paved the way for the Apollo accident.

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Amen to Stephen.. remarks are getting out of hand. None of us were there, Hell..most of us were only teens at the time, so why speculate and comment about what we do not actually know about? Because we all have opinions! Scott has his opinions, Mark has his opinions, Stephen has his opinions (although his are based on actually BEING there , so his hold more water than most).. The only thing that I fear, is that ..like the Lunar Hoaxers programs..this new " documentary" will sway the minds of those who werent even concieved of back in January 1967 to believe that there was a consipiracy to murder not only Gus, but Roger Chaffee and Ed White as well. Mark should also be careful that 38 years after the fact, peoples memories of events may not be as accurate as they may like..

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You are so right, John K. It reminds me of a story that was published on Saturday Morning following the fire by the Cocoa Tribune. It was an eyewitness account of the fire by a North American Technician who was supposed to be on the tower that night. It was a good story, until it was proved that he was on day shift, left the Cape hours before the fire and was in a grocery market when the fire occurred.
I hope Mr Estabook doesn't base his film on people like him. Most of the individuals that I have talked with, my fellow team-mates are well aware of what's going on and if their accounts are published, I'm afraid that his documentary will go down in smoke.

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I have just tried to visit Scott Grissom's Apollo 1 website as mentioned in the first message here and found that it is no longer there. Does anyone know when this went down or if he is now using a different URL?

In addition, has anyone heard anymore regarding the documentary 'Gus'?

Thanks.

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Let me get this straight in my mind. Scott Grissom is saying that he inspected the Apollo 1 capsule and found a metal piece which was placed in the Apollo 1 capsule (stored in Langley Virginia) ostensibly to cause a short circuit in a pure oxygen atmosphere in order to kill the 3 astronauts intentionally?! Is this right? This begs the obvious question, why in the world would the sabateur(s) leave the incriminating evidence to be found and thus cause the murderers scheme to be discovered?! (I read fully Mr. Hill's 2000 report discussing the metal piece and their follow-up investigation). What are the odds that if this theory of Scott's was true, that the offending piece of metal is still just sitting there in the container 38 years later?! I think we all understand that there generally aren't stray pieces of hardware just hanging out in a spacecraft (although I do realize Apollo 1 had some problems with shoddy workmanship and poor recordkeeping) so I am stunned that the alleged conspirators wouldn't have just removed the metal piece after the deed (if it was non-spec). If the piece was spec, then it was simply a bad design causing a tragic accident. After reading all of the materials referenced in this thread including the petition, I am personally concluding that this is a travesty. Much like the conspiracy theorists who are postulating the World Trade Center buildings were intentionally blown up by our own government on 9/11, the obsessive focus on finding nefarious goings-on are causing a serious lack of clarity and balance and are discrediting the accusers. I hope this dies a natural death. I feel for the Grissom family but I just don't think Scott is well served by this quest. By the way, I would never want to be associated with the petition to reopen the investigation as the list of signers includes a motley assortment of poor spelling, poor use of English, unbalanced statements, and a general lack of substance which gives petitions credibility. Sorry to sound so harsh but I must call it as I see it. That said, I hope a good biography of Gus is on it's way as it is long overdue. My opinion of Gus only gets better with each passing year.

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posted 08-30-2006 10:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FFrench     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hlbjr:That said, I hope a good biography of Gus is on its way as it is long overdue.

Have you read this one, which got very favorable reviews? http://www.amazon.com/Gus-Grissom-Astronaut/dp/0871951762/sr=1-1/

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posted 09-04-2006 11:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stephen Clemmons   Click Here to Email Stephen Clemmons     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For those of you who has been following the conspiracy theory, here is a good followup report conducted by a second investigation conducted by NASA at the urging of Honorable James Sensenbrenner, Jr., US House of representatives, Committee on Science.
I have no real date but it was conducted shortly after Scott came out with his conspriracy theory.
It concerns the material that Scott was supposed to have found that caused the accident. (ie alumminum plate)
Go to http://www.clavious.org/img/hill-pg-1.jpg

This report covers everything that Scott has brought up I told him years ago that this piece of metal that he claims was inserted under the switch had been removed after the fire in order to get a componant out but he wouldn't believe me.
For whatever reason, Scott and his engineer friend forgot to mention that someone in Congress had responded to his petition, telling Mr. Sensenbrenner to get to the bottom of the conspiracy once and for all.
I think the real conspiracy was between Scott and his friends who wanted to make out something happened to inforce their story line for big bucks.
Perhaps it will make a real story that will sell on national television.
Gus was a hero to all of us, Because we saw him ride a rocket into space and he had to have sheer steel for nerves, going where only one man had gone before in our space program, but to make out that his ground crew were a bunch of murderers that conspired to kill him is a little much.
He confronted me with the issue and I told him that no one had any ideas or reasons to kill his dad for the reasons he mentioned, or any other reason for that matter.
We didn't give a rat's ass who flew or in what rotation. That was between NASA and the Astronauts. They could have shot a monkey up for all we cared.
Our main goal was getting the first spacecraft up in one piece and bringing it home.
Scott and his friends have done Gus Grissom a great injustice and have done more to smear his fathers good name that anyone could imagine.
He certainly isolated all his friends at the Cape with all the wild accusations, many who will not talk or discuss Gus because they don't know if what they say will wind up in this supposed "Documentary" as they said it or if Scott will cut it to match or mismatch his ideas on the conspiracy into the documentary.
If anyone cannot get the link I gave out earlier, send me an e-mail. pomeranian@msn.com

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posted 09-04-2006 01:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Naraht   Click Here to Email Naraht     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Stephen Clemmons:
For those of you who has been following the conspiracy theory, here is a good followup report conducted by a second investigation conducted by NASA at the urging of Honorable James Sensenbrenner, Jr., US House of representatives, Committee on Science.
I have no real date but it was conducted shortly after Scott came out with his conspriracy theory.
It concerns the material that Scott was supposed to have found that caused the accident. (ie alumminum plate)
Go to http://www.clavious.org/img/hill-pg-1.jpg


That link should be http://www.clavius.org/img/hill-pg-1.jpg

Stephen Clemmons
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posted 09-04-2006 06:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stephen Clemmons   Click Here to Email Stephen Clemmons     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, I got it off of my written report, Appreciate the update.

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posted 12-15-2006 03:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Obviousman   Click Here to Email Obviousman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm battling some Apollo Hoaxers about this very subject. Two points have been raised, and I'd appreciate if anyone has any feedback about them:

1. Claims that NASA 'raided' the astronauts homes immediately after the fire and removed all material with reference to Apollo, including personal diaries; and

2. Claims that an engineer, Clark Mac Donald, came forward to Scott. Mr Mac Donald (or MacDonald) claims to have been hired by either NASA or NAA to investigate the fire, and found evidence of sabotage. I have been unable to verify the existance of such a person, muchless his claims.

These claims seem to be based on an article written in the Star tabloid. I understand Scott did repudiate some of the claims made by the article, saying they were fabricated by the Star.

Can anyone shed any light on these issues, or would anyone be able to contact Scott?

Thanks!

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posted 12-16-2006 02:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Obviousman   Click Here to Email Obviousman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Found Scott's email addy. Thanks!

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posted 12-17-2006 09:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fabfivefreddy   Click Here to Email fabfivefreddy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Conspiracy theories have beeen around since the beginning of mankind. As a psychiatrist I must mention that these "over-valued" ideas can become destructive and painful for others. Intelligence has nothing to do with it- some very smart people believe in hoaxes, conspiracies, and paranoia.

Please exercise caution and have an open, positive view about history. The books and articles that people write to make fortunes are often misleading and do not hold up to a cross examination.

I enjoy discussing space related topics here, but I would hope that we keep a certain amount of respect and integrity for the astronauts.

Tahir

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posted 12-17-2006 12:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stephen Clemmons   Click Here to Email Stephen Clemmons     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If any of you would like a copy of Mr. McDonalds report. email me at pomeranian@msn.com

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