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Duke Of URL
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posted 06-23-2005 09:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Duke Of URL   Click Here to Email Duke Of URL     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just read "We Seven" and I'm confused by a couple of items.

The first was John Glenn saying his nickname was "Old Magnet Tail". But in his memoirs he says it was "Magnet Ass".

The second was Scott Carpenter's captain as he was leaving the ship for NASA duty. In We Seven the captain said "nuts" when Cdr. Carpenter said he was going to orbit three times but in For Spacious Skies the captain said "bulls**t".

Can anybody explain these discrepencies? I'm getting dizzy.

mdmyer
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posted 06-23-2005 10:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mdmyer   Click Here to Email mdmyer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Probably because of the time or the era that We Seven was written. The all American image of the astronauts was still shining. They could not have cussed.

Mike Myer

Duke Of URL
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posted 06-23-2005 11:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Duke Of URL   Click Here to Email Duke Of URL     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NAW!

KC Stoever
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posted 06-24-2005 10:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KC Stoever   Click Here to Email KC Stoever     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Duke,

Thanks for the huge LOL with my morning coffee.

Those editors! Jeez: seemliness police.

What did you think of We Seven?

Can you tell (as I argue elsewhere) that these stories really were written by seven distinctly different voices?

Duke Of URL
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posted 06-24-2005 01:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Duke Of URL   Click Here to Email Duke Of URL     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We Seven was pretty good. (That's the Gus Grissom voice.) I felt it would bring out the best in me (Glenn) and give me a chance to be a bit more informed than the next man (Shepard) while I got the job done (Slayton).

I was awed by the concepts involved (You-Know-Who) and the prospect of reading faster while I was higher - I mean, reading higher and faster (Cooper).

Actually, it was pretty much pablum obviously written by clerks in the NASA publicity stable and foisted onto the public. Nothing interesting here.


Gotcha! (Schirra)

What was the REAL quote from the captain of the aircraft carrier? And, since he was facing a big inspection without his intelligence officer (at the last moment) with his intelligence office itself in the process of being moved and thus in a mess how did he do? Did the ship pass muster?

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KC Stoever
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posted 06-25-2005 11:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KC Stoever   Click Here to Email KC Stoever     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Duke of URL wrote:

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What was the REAL quote from the captain of the aircraft carrier? And, since he was facing a big inspection without his intelligence officer (at the last moment) with his intelligence office itself in the process of being moved and thus in a mess how did he do? Did the ship pass muster?[/bold]

The expletive Capt. Marshall White deployed, as Carpenter left the Hornet, was "bullsh*t," according to Carpenter, the only earwitness AFAIK. Of course, LIFE editor John Dille cleaned up all the the military, er, vernacular in all the WE SEVEN chapters for American readers ca. 1962.

I spoke with White's widow, Eleanor, when researching the book (she was also present at the signing at the San Diego Fleet Center when Carpenter was there on book tour).

She attested to her husband's intense, uh, consternation (more Navy vernacular here) at Carpenter's top-secret comings and goings in 1959. She also confirmed Rene Carpenter's story, about her reconnaissance in ugly, industrial Long Beach, where the Hornet was to have been berthed, looking around, and returning to her car for a little drive down to the more scenic Coronado. The Hornet, Mrs. Marshall White determined, would be stationed in San Diego.

And so it was.

But the Hornetpassed its sea trials with another air intelligence officer in place (don't know who replaced Carpenter) and Marsh White eventually made admiral, during the Vietnam war, IIRC.

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Duke Of URL
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posted 06-25-2005 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Duke Of URL   Click Here to Email Duke Of URL     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A happy ending, except for the Viet Nam bit. But what's AFAIK and IIRC.

Probably some Outer Space nomenclature thought up by your Old Man and his hotshot flyboy/aviator pals.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 06-25-2005 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AFAIK: As Far As I Know
IIRC: If I Recall Correctly

Duke Of URL
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posted 06-25-2005 06:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Duke Of URL   Click Here to Email Duke Of URL     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey! That sounds suspiciously like something REGULAR PEOPLE say.

John K. Rochester
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posted 06-25-2005 09:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for John K. Rochester   Click Here to Email John K. Rochester     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
that leaves Duke out................

John K. Rochester
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posted 06-25-2005 09:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for John K. Rochester   Click Here to Email John K. Rochester     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
GOTCHA!! ( Schirra )

Duke Of URL
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posted 06-26-2005 10:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Duke Of URL   Click Here to Email Duke Of URL     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hokie Smokes! Torpedoed below the waterline...

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