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Topic: [RR] Space and Aviation Sale (October 2016)
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Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 42988
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 09-27-2016 09:23 AM
   
RR Auction has posted a preview gallery for its next Space and Aviation Sale beginning Oct. 13 and ending on Oct. 20, 2016.The preview includes more than 500 lots, including the Alan Bean and Dave Scott collections. |
mmmoo
Member Posts: 551
From: London, England
Registered: May 2001
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posted 09-27-2016 01:24 PM
Some fantastic items, but also some very optimistic estimates! |
Rick Mulheirn
Member Posts: 4167
From: England
Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 09-27-2016 02:22 PM
Some terrific surface flown pieces and suit hardware. |
mode1charlie
Member Posts: 1169
From: Honolulu, HI
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted 09-27-2016 03:29 PM
Some really nice items there. |
pharoid
Member Posts: 109
From:
Registered: Jul 2010
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posted 09-27-2016 09:55 PM
Lot 6338, Apollo 13 flown netting swatch, the description states that these are facsimile signatures. I was under the impression that this type of presentation had original signatures of the crew. Am I dreaming? |
David Carey
Member Posts: 782
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Registered: Mar 2009
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posted 09-28-2016 12:32 AM
I think you're correct.Can't speak to lot 6338 but mine has what I believe to be original signatures (not autopen and obvious pen impressions with a loupe). Interestingly, the printed card differs with Walter Kapryan's added text. His signature is also original to my eye. For comparison; card extends under frame matting just a bit.  |
Ken Havekotte
Member Posts: 2915
From: Merritt Island, Florida, Brevard
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 09-28-2016 05:17 AM
Yes, that is correct, as all of the crew signed CM/LM artifact cards that I know of where indeed hand-signed, including those of launch director Walt Kapryan as well. |
pharoid
Member Posts: 109
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Registered: Jul 2010
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posted 09-28-2016 07:46 AM
Ken, do the the blue Apollo 13 artifact cards also bear original signatures as well? |
neo1022
Member Posts: 281
From: Santa Monica, CA
Registered: Jun 2013
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posted 09-28-2016 11:34 PM
Man, I almost pulled the trigger on that Skylab handheld sextant when it was on eBay a few months back (Buy It Now price of $5000, RR estimate $20K). Was gone within a few hours... Lesson here: Follow your gut. |
pharoid
Member Posts: 109
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Registered: Jul 2010
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posted 09-29-2016 11:04 AM
I just noticed that the listing for the Apollo 13 netting has now been amended to read that the signatures are the real deal. |
Rick Mulheirn
Member Posts: 4167
From: England
Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 10-15-2016 03:48 AM
For the record, Lot 6146 the A6L EVA boot has a modest error in the description.The sole of the A7L boot worn on the moon did differ from the A6L — contrary to what the listing suggests. There was a Mark II and eventually a Mark III version of the EVA over boot. The tread pattern on the later models was the same, but it differed slightly from the A6L. RR was notified of the error prior to the auction. It is a very nice piece none the less. |
thisismills
Member Posts: 263
From: Michigan
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 10-17-2016 09:21 PM
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Originally posted by neo1022:
Man, I almost pulled the trigger on that Skylab handheld sextant when it was on eBay...
Thanks for mentioning this. I wanted to let anyone who was interested know that if the winner of the Skylab sextant contacts me after the auction, I will be more than happy to share a wealth of additional information with them. There are numerous documents, including design, qualification and post-flight reports originating from the scientist at NASA Ames. The post-flight results debrief contains several images, which photo match this to the mission experiment, used by the second and third crews aboard Skylab. I reached out to the consignor on eBay expressing the greater interest those may have in a dedicated space auction rather than on eBay. He's excited to see it highlighted this many years later in a forum where it will go to a collector for preservation. |
rgarner
Member Posts: 1193
From: Shepperton, United Kingdom
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 10-18-2016 02:17 AM
Just a quick note about lot 6199: Apollo Space Food, it is actually all Gemini food, not Apollo. |
Jurvetson
Member Posts: 93
From: Los Altos an SF, CA, United States
Registered: Sep 2011
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posted 10-18-2016 05:11 PM
Wow, that sextant is gorgeous. I just opened the bidding on it. I just posted photos of the Block II sextant that I have here, if you want to compare changes. I can take additional shots if you want detail on any section.  |
neo1022
Member Posts: 281
From: Santa Monica, CA
Registered: Jun 2013
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posted 10-18-2016 08:30 PM
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Originally posted by thisismills:
He's excited to see it highlighted this many years later in a forum where it will go to a collector for preservation.
Thanks for the follow-up. So am I correct in assuming that the current RR consignor is the owner who had listed the item on eBay initially? If so, I'm happy to see he/she placed it in the right place, and will be getting a fair price for it. It steamed me a little to think someone bought it cheap, then turned around and was trying to flip it for six times his asking price less than three months later. But as we've discussed many times on this forum, if that's the case, that's the seller's prerogative... |
SpaceAholic
Member Posts: 4437
From: Sierra Vista, Arizona
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 10-19-2016 07:25 AM
Carpe diem, that's what entrepreneurs do. Nothing wrong with it. |
thisismills
Member Posts: 263
From: Michigan
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 10-19-2016 04:17 PM
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Originally posted by neo1022:
If so, I'm happy to see he/she placed it in the right place, and will be getting a fair price for it...
No worries, only vested interest I have is to see it go to a good home and be preserved for the amazing artifact that it is. Happy to help with the process, all proceeds back to the employee's family who saved it from a lesser fate. No bids on lot 6446 currently, so if it doesn't sell, just send it off to Steve Jurvetson, who will surely take good care of it as part of his wonderfully curated space hardware collection, which already includes some great navigational aids. |
BLivingston
Member Posts: 60
From: Boston,Ma. USA
Registered: Jan 2010
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posted 10-20-2016 08:42 AM
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Originally posted by rgarner:
Just a quick note about lot 6199: Apollo Space Food, it is actually all Gemini food, not Apollo.
Mr. Garner is correct and we are grateful for his thoughtful concerns. Lot 6199 has been withdrawn and the Gemini space food will be properly re-listed in a future sale. I apologize for any inconvenience. Richard has provided all of us with an excellent web guide on space food. |
Jurvetson
Member Posts: 93
From: Los Altos an SF, CA, United States
Registered: Sep 2011
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posted 10-20-2016 09:32 PM
thisismills: well good news on the good home. I won the bidding on that sextant, it appears. And yeah, painful to have missed on eBay, but she sure is a beauty. If the underbidder is here, I would be willing to sell the Block II sextant module that I shared above if you are keen to have it.I am also happy to have picked up the the LB-7 valve and the Goddard items as they are an exciting piece of early history that I was missing entirely in the collection. Great auction RR, as usual. |
jonspace
Member Posts: 169
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Registered: Jan 2014
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posted 10-21-2016 10:46 PM
I'm not seeing the Apollo 12 lunar surface Duro pen on the results page. Anyone recall what the final bid was? |
rgarner
Member Posts: 1193
From: Shepperton, United Kingdom
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 10-22-2016 04:33 AM
As usual, a flawless auction. Well done RR! |
spaced out
Member Posts: 3110
From: Paris, France
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted 10-22-2016 05:35 AM
Yep, another great auction. My only complaint with RR is the hidden reserves.This is a real pain. Without knowing if you've passed the reserve, or even that there is a reserve, you might bid heavily on an item and use up all your funds only to find out the next day that you didn't win it. If you know that you haven't met the reserve level during the auction itself you can choose to push higher or to use the funds on other items. quote:
Originally posted by jonspace:
I'm not seeing the Apollo 12 lunar surface Duro pen on the results page.
Case in point - the high bidder on the Apollo 12 flown pen at $19,232.50 (not me by the way) presumably thought they had won it. If they'd known they hadn't hit the reserve they might have spent that $19k bidding on other items in the auction, to the benefit of other consignors. |
jonspace
Member Posts: 169
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Registered: Jan 2014
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posted 10-22-2016 12:42 PM
And to your point, what if the reserve was $20k? Would they contact the high bidder and let them know they can buy it for a little more than their last bid?That aside, I'm a fan of RR. They curate great stuff and offer fantastic service to even small time buyers/consigners like myself. |
rgarner
Member Posts: 1193
From: Shepperton, United Kingdom
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 10-22-2016 01:07 PM
I was under the impression that the estimates were a ballpark figure for a reserve (if indeed there was one). |
holcombeyates
Member Posts: 243
From: UK
Registered: Dec 2010
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posted 10-22-2016 03:46 PM
A great auction. Delighted to have picked up the Apollo 15 and 16 topographical maps.I much prefer the RR auction system. Hiding the reserves would appear to work against everyone, as even the auction house doesnt benefit from the sale. I was surprised at the Apollo 17 EVA cue card which fetched $37,000... more than some of the bigger procedure manuals. Is that what they normally fetch? Are these cue cards quite rare pieces? |
neo1022
Member Posts: 281
From: Santa Monica, CA
Registered: Jun 2013
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posted 10-22-2016 10:16 PM
I'm a bit confused. Does RR in fact have "hidden" reserves? And if an item shows up in the post-auction results with a winning bid, does that mean it actually sold (or is there a possibility that the "winning" bid was still not high enough to meet the reserve)? The idea of not indicating the reserve price seems like a poor idea, for the reasons outlined in the previous post... |
spaced out
Member Posts: 3110
From: Paris, France
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted 10-23-2016 09:22 AM
If an item is shown in the results it sold. If not, it did not meet its reserve, or received no bids. |
Chuckster01
Member Posts: 873
From: Orlando, FL
Registered: Jan 2014
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posted 10-23-2016 10:04 AM
In my opinion, there is a good reason not to post reserves. Many times the simple listing of a reserve will remove many bidders. On eBay as well as other auction sites I see items listed with reserve that no one bids on while the same item listed with no or hidden reserves will sell for far above the reserve amount listed in the similar auction.If you can afford to sell an item for a fraction of the value then no reserve is great but auctions are fickle and the same item can bring many times the sale amount from one auction to another. It is a shame but many people will not even bid unless they feel they can "steal" the item for a low price when in fact they often get caught up in the excitement of an auction and pay much more then the reserve. People are funny sometimes. |
fredtrav
Member Posts: 1673
From: Birmingham AL
Registered: Aug 2010
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posted 10-25-2016 11:44 AM
If you are going to have a hidden reserve, then let the winning bidder know that they did not meet the reserve and let them know what the reserve is. They may be willing to pay it. It has happened to me on eBay that I "won" an item but the reserve was not met. I was able to contact the seller and found out the reserve and had him list it as a buy it now so I could go ahead and buy it. The difference between my final bid and the reserve was very small and I was more than willing to pay the difference. |
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