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BLivingston
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posted 09-05-2012 10:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BLivingston   Click Here to Email BLivingston     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Got the right stuff? We’ll get the right price.

RR Auction is still accepting consignments for our upcoming November Space and Aviation auction. And while our catalog is almost full, there’s always room another rare and historic artifact.

Please contact Bob Eaton directly at bob.eaton@rrauction.com and tell us what you have in your collection.

RR Auction has a 30-year history of achieving remarkable results for consignment clients. From shipping and establishing value to crafting catalogue descriptions and making sure you are paid on time, you can count on us to do everything necessary to insure our history of record-breaking bidding repeats itself on your behalf.

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BLivingston
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posted 10-20-2012 09:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BLivingston   Click Here to Email BLivingston     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We have posted on our website over 60 featured lots as a preview of our November 29th auction. A full preview of the 600 lots available is scheduled to be online Friday, October 26th.

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benfairfax
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posted 10-21-2012 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for benfairfax   Click Here to Email benfairfax     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
With the astronauts being able to keep/sell personal items from the Apollo era this looks as it is shaping up to be an awesome RR space Auction! Item #510 looks incredible, I can see it going into the hundreds. Well done Bobby.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 10-21-2012 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by benfairfax:
I can see it going into the hundreds.
For reference, this particular cuff checklist was previously sold by Aurora Auctions in Oct. 2004 for a reported $155,000.

SpaceAholic
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posted 10-21-2012 07:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceAholic   Click Here to Email SpaceAholic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Apparently both of Scott's Cuff checklists (EVA 1 and EVA 2/3) were sold during that Aurora session.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 10-21-2012 08:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good catch. The Aurora Oct. 2004 catalog only lists the EVA 2/3 cuff checklist.

Aurora prepared the certificate of authenticity for the EVA 1 cuff checklist, but I do not see it listed within their catalogs. Perhaps it sold by private sale (or maybe I missed a lot description).

Steve Zarelli
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posted 10-22-2012 06:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steve Zarelli   Click Here to Email Steve Zarelli     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lots of great goodies at RR. It's really a privilege to examine some of these items.

randyc
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posted 10-22-2012 07:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for randyc   Click Here to Email randyc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was able to see this checklist upclose when I went to Aurora Galleries before the auction and there was lunar dust on it. Although it's hard to tell by looking at the photo on the RR Auction site, it appears that it's been cleaned.

Larry McGlynn
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posted 10-23-2012 04:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Larry McGlynn   Click Here to Email Larry McGlynn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The EVA 1 cuff checklist was sold at a private sale prior to Aurora. It did not appear at Aurora. EVA 2/3 appeared at Aurora and that is the checklist you saw Randy. It appears that the EVA 2/3 did sell at Aurora in 2004.

What maybe causing some confusion is that a replica "movie prop" A-15 cuff checklist was sold in the same sale as lot number 494.

Also, the EVA 1 checklist still has dust on it. It is inside on the pages.

Hat's off to Scott S. for finding the part and serial number images linking the EVA 1 cuff checklist in a photo to Dave Scott on the Moon.

freshspot
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posted 10-31-2012 02:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for freshspot   Click Here to Email freshspot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are now 710 lots listed in the RR site. It took me an hour to go through them carefully. Some great items. I'll have to save my money for the next month so I can bid!

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posted 10-31-2012 08:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rjurek349   Click Here to Email rjurek349     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have to agree. Just finished going through each lot: wow! Arguably the best auction offering of the season. A great selection across many areas -- with a little something for everyone. Congrats, RR. You guys keep raising the bar.

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posted 11-01-2012 10:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rjurek349   Click Here to Email rjurek349     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great Huffington Post article about the upcoming auction, and in particular, the cool flown mix tape. Also, it was picked up in the Daily Mail. It will be interesting to see how that tape crosses over to a pop music collecting audience as well as space enthusiasts. I have to hand it to RR, they sure know how to drive press traffice!

Besixdouze
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posted 11-02-2012 03:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Besixdouze   Click Here to Email Besixdouze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Surely Item #368 is somebody's idea of a joke though. The only place that patch should be is in the Hall of Shame. They regularly appear on ebay and, more often than not, don't sell. I cannot imagine why.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 11-04-2012 10:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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RR Auction is pleased to announce its popular Space and Aviation Autograph and Artifact Auction, scheduled to take place from November 21st to November 29th, 2012.

spaceflori
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posted 11-04-2012 11:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaceflori   Click Here to Email spaceflori     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is there any further reference to Lot 399 - to me it looks more like Aldrin's handwriting than Armstrong's who usually did capital letters and didn't form the letters like on that note.

Steve Zarelli
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posted 11-05-2012 09:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steve Zarelli   Click Here to Email Steve Zarelli     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We studied Lot 399 for many hours and I did a letter by letter comparison with dozens of verified exemplars. This is a less common and a more casual form of Armstrong's handwriting that is a mix of script and his more common block lettering. Other examples similar to this exist.

In particular look at the Rs, Ls, Ms, C, lower case a, and the transition from a capital A to the following letter. Pure Armstrong. There are other subtle characteristics that are also consistent with his handwriting.

Also, my general policy is to examine the autograph first and place little weight on provenance. That said, these came from a source that had a link to Armstrong and offered convincing evidence to support the provenance. After carefully studying the writing and evaluating the provenance, it is undoubtedly Neil Armstrong's writing in my opinion.

garymilgrom
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posted 11-05-2012 12:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for garymilgrom   Click Here to Email garymilgrom     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone else having trouble correlating the lot numbers posted here with the site?

When I search this auction for lot #399 I get a Carl Schurz ALS. And the patch listed above as lot #368 brings up an Abner Doubleday autograph.

This does not make it easy to find things of interest being discussed.

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posted 11-05-2012 12:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaced out   Click Here to Email spaced out     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Those items are on their current monthly auctions, which is what the search feature links to.

You need to go to the Space Preview to see the lots being discussed.

spaceflori
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posted 11-06-2012 11:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaceflori   Click Here to Email spaceflori     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Steve for the info ! I haven't looked that deep into the writing but was going by the capital letters Neil usually uses.

rpatrick
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posted 11-14-2012 07:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rpatrick   Click Here to Email rpatrick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was registered for bidding on this auction but sincerely I don't understand a lot about the 30 minutes rule...

At what time bidding can start? and when will ends? Thanks in advance.

capoetc
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posted 11-14-2012 10:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for capoetc   Click Here to Email capoetc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For what it's worth (others may have a better answer for you), the great thing about the 30 minute rule is it prevents the practice of "sniping", where a bidder waits until the last seconds of an auction and places a bid to win an auction in such a way that prevents other bidders from exceeding that new bid.

After the official end of the auction, those bidders who have already placed a bid on that particular item may continue to bid and counter-bid until someone places a bid and 30 more minutes passes. Theoretically, the auction for a particular item could go on indefinitely as long as the original bidders continue to place counter-bids every 30 minutes. In practice, this doesn't happen -- the items usually end within an hour or so of the auction end.

Hope that helps.

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posted 11-15-2012 07:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rjurek349   Click Here to Email rjurek349     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I really like the 30 minute rule. Astro-Auction had something similar too when they were up and running, and I loved it there, too. It is a cool feature.

As an aside, I see the auction is now open for bidding. Some really great stuff this time around (as usual).

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posted 11-15-2012 09:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SkyMan1958   Click Here to Email SkyMan1958     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I also really like the 30 minutes rule. It allows you to continue bidding on lots no matter where they are... at the start of the catalogue or at the end. Many is the time where I've bid in a standard auction where the first lot is the first to sell and the last lot is the last lot to sell, and you're basically SOL on bidding on the early lots if you are most interested in bidding on something expensive that is a later lot.

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posted 11-16-2012 01:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaced out   Click Here to Email spaced out     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The problem for overseas bidders is that the end of the auction is in the middle of the night. Personally I find 30 minutes a bit excessive too. Does it really take that long to decide whether to bid or not, even if you're following multiple items?

What tends to happen is that the rival bidders play on each others' nerves by waiting until nearly the end of the period before bidding again, stretching the whole thing into an agonizing crawl to the finish.

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posted 11-16-2012 09:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rjurek349   Click Here to Email rjurek349     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is, again, another reason to put in your highest bid from the get-go, and let it all settle out in the end, I guess. And while it does create for a rather tense (some might say exciting) end to the auction -- I still like the fact that it eliminates the last second bid factor.

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posted 11-16-2012 11:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for crl848     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
High bids to get in the game on a few lots... exciting!

rpatrick
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posted 11-18-2012 05:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rpatrick   Click Here to Email rpatrick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay, problem is due to overseas countries of course but I preferred the online bidding such as Live Auctioneers, or Regency Superior, or others, I bid and after few seconds I know if I win or not in order to think to the next item I'm interested in.

If I want to bid for multiple items, I don't understand if 30 minute rule (personally I think is a lot) start all together in the same time or not.

space1
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posted 11-18-2012 08:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for space1   Click Here to Email space1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The 30-minute rule applies to each lot individually.

Steve Zarelli
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posted 11-27-2012 08:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steve Zarelli   Click Here to Email Steve Zarelli     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Article in the NY Post regarding the Soviet Space Dog paw prints in the RR Auction.

A pair of real Autograph Hounds... LOL

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posted 11-28-2012 10:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for stsmithva   Click Here to Email stsmithva     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I won't post a list of all of the items I consigned to this auction, but please e-mail me if you would like a lot more information, photos, and links regarding these Apollo 11 documents filled with handwritten notes made during the mission: (It's basically an extended version of what I wrote about in this cS post.)

Ian
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posted 11-29-2012 08:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm a new boy around here, despite 'lurking' for a few years.

I understand and appreciate the 30 minute rule even though I am usually a 'sniper' on eBay. I'm slightly less understanding of the +10% next bid as I'd doubt this brings the absolute maximum for sellers.

My point for this post though is that I'm not sure if I completely misunderstood the 'Max Bid' function though (I can't follow RR's examples).

I placed early bids last week to keep me in the running and eligible for the '30 minute' phase of bidding today. Two items went way out of my league before today but I did manage to get two extra bids on one item today.

The first time I went slightly over the 'next bid' amount and was later outbid during the next 30 minutes. The second bid I placed was over 30% higher than the current bid. I 'thought' this was a maximum bid but looking back now I'm thinking maybe I just "called" that top bid? (knockout punch?) I've won the auction at that top bid. I was obviously prepared to go that high but have I maybe misunderstood thinking my bid would be placed at just 10% over the last top bid?

It's difficult to see for sure as you can't see the full bid history and it is of course very possible that the previous bidder had made his top bid within 10% of mine. I just can't follow RR's examples of keeping everything "in phase" with a +10% chart.

I hope that makes some sense. Maybe someone can explain it with hypothetical figures or I can give you the details of my item as I saw it (if that's allowed). Thanks guys.

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posted 11-29-2012 09:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DSeuss5490   Click Here to Email DSeuss5490     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Before I understood their system I did the same exact thing. If you manually type in your max bid in the box it will jump to that bid whether its incrementally one bid higher or many multiples. You can indeed outbid yourself!

To place a secret max bid you need to use the drop menu that displays the bid increments and stop at the maximum you are willing to pay.

Ian
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posted 11-29-2012 10:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks.

I've been in touch with Stacey at RR and I think we've sorted it out.

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posted 11-30-2012 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Greggy_D   Click Here to Email Greggy_D     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Apollo 15 cuff checklist went for an amazing $303,710 (sans premium).

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posted 11-30-2012 04:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for onesmallstep   Click Here to Email onesmallstep     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll take Artifactory's repro of an Apollo 12 cuff checklist for $199.00 and change, thanks.

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posted 11-30-2012 06:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for spkjb   Click Here to Email spkjb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Greggy_D:
The Apollo 15 cuff checklist went for an amazing $303,710 (sans premium).
INCREDIBLE!

Shades of Apollo 13's checklist pages in Heritage Nov. 2011 Auction. Any thoughts on how these checklist pages are valued at these prices?

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posted 11-30-2012 11:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for chet   Click Here to Email chet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I really thought it would (and should) go higher. I've no doubt it won't take 20 years (or less) before a moonwalker cuff checklist will realize a cool million. That this was an Apollo Commander's checklist makes it worth even more.

Congrats to the lucky winner...I think he/she got a bargain.

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quote:
Originally posted by Greggy_D:
The Apollo 15 cuff checklist went for an amazing $303,710 (sans premium).

I don't believe the hammer price should ever be quoted. The price paid by the buyer was $364,452.

I agree with Chet on the pricing. These prices are bargains relative to top-end collectibles from other fields.

I can imagine Tom Hanks, Ron Howard, numerous entrepreneurs involved in the various private space companies, and plenty of wealthy individuals we've never heard of would in a position to bid on this kind of item.

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posted 12-01-2012 05:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jurvetson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great auction. I was delighted to get the data clip from Eagle (as I don't recall flown hardware from Apollo 11 coming up that often... Do people recall other hardware [excluding documents and personal items]).

I also got a bunch of Russian hardware at reasonable prices... well, except the Soyuz Main Control Panel Clock. Does the underbidder there know why I paid so much?

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quote:
Originally posted by Jurvetson:
Do people recall other hardware [excluding documents and personal items]).
An EVA handrail from outside of Columbia was auctioned in 2000; a segment of coldplate was auctioned (and then cut apart for displays and acrylics); heat shield segments encased in acrylic are probably the most common hardware seen; and the rotation control handle from Columbia was auctioned in 2004.

But that's not to suggest hardware from Apollo 11 is common, just offering a few examples of what has sold.


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