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Topic: Regency-Superior May 2008 auction
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andrewcli
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From: La Jolla, CA, USA
Registered: Jul 2007
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posted 04-22-2008 05:10 PM
   
Hi, has anybody looked at #2416 and 2420? To me it looks like a Fred Haise autopen.Andrew |
Ken Havekotte
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posted 04-22-2008 06:06 PM
Andrew--Sure is an autopen of Haise; one of two of his more-common patterns used throughout his NASA career. |
andrewcli
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posted 04-22-2008 06:27 PM
That's too bad. Thanks for your input Ken!Andrew |
NAAmodel#240
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From: Boston, Mass.
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted 04-23-2008 03:05 PM
It is my opinion that item 2071 (Lake Champlain PRS) is actually a Riser fake and should be withdrawn. It currently has the same bid as the beautiful (and I believe authentic) item 2070. I would hate to see someone swindled by buying a suspect cover. |
NAAmodel#240
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posted 04-23-2008 03:09 PM
It is also disappointing that Regency offers item 2088 as an autographed envelope. One need not be an expert to see that the signature is printed. |
NAAmodel#240
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posted 04-23-2008 03:14 PM
Ok, one last post for the day. Does anyone have an issue with number 2094 (Riser?) or number 2052 (autopens?). |
Ken Havekotte
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posted 04-23-2008 03:52 PM
Wasn't all the Riser fakes previously pointed out earlier on this thread? Lot #2070 appears to be authentic, in my opinion, while #2071 is a Riser. Yes, Lot #2088X is indeed a printed signature of Glenn that "NAAmodel#240" pointed out. The Glenn Noa cover, Lot #2094, I would stay away from (yes--a Riser fake as well). There are many other Risers in the auction that I believe most, if not all, have already been identified. Correct? |
Ross
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From: Australia
Registered: Jul 2003
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posted 04-24-2008 09:25 AM
Hello Ken,I'd be interested to hear why you think that the Glenn Noa cover, Lot #2094 is a Riser fake. I've looked at this cover and compared the postmark to both genuine and fake Noa postmarks plus I've checked it against the criteria in Paul Bulver's 'Study of Suspect Space Covers' CD and apart from the stationary itself being in the suspect area, I've been unable to see any problems with the actual postmark. Are you basing your suspicions only on the stationary or have I missed something about the actual postmark. regards
Ross.
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clifford
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From: Maplewood, nj, 07040
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 04-24-2008 08:21 PM
Just a note on lot 2292, one of my lots in the auction. It is listed in the catalog as signed only by Lovell and Schweickart but is in fact Apollo 9 crew signed, (it is correctly listed on the website). I bought it with Scott, and added Schweickart at the NJ signing show a few years ago and then had Kim at NovaSpace add Mcdivitt. Lovell did not sign it. A very nice piece.Clifford. |
yeknom-ecaps
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From: Northville MI USA
Registered: Aug 2005
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posted 04-24-2008 08:57 PM
Ken - the USS Noa cover you and Ross mention is similar to (or may actually be) one I reviewed for the SU auction and Ray Cartier's prime recovery ship handbook - the one I reviewed is pictured in Ray's book. That cover checked out ok by not matching to the Riser USS Noa cancels I had available to me at that time and matching very closely to a few non-Riser USS Noa cancels I had access to. IMHO it is genuine as best I can tell without actually having it in hand to review in more detail. |
Ken Havekotte
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posted 04-24-2008 08:59 PM
Ross--Without checking any of the suspect guides and other related published articles about the MA-6/Glenn philatelic coverages, I have always been suspicious about most Noa covers dated Feb. 20th of the actual flight. This cover, inparticular, is very "clean" despite the fact of it being a government embossed airmail envelope. The cancel placement is rather odd, in comparison to other known Noa covers, and note the cancel date impression with "FEB" that I am not too crazy about. Here again, of course, just my opinion as I've only been able to compare low quantities--only a few instead of many--of similar Noa covers. Not all of Riser's fakes were published and there are probably/maybe a few others out there, perhaps like this. Even if such a cover was genuine, Ross, unfortunately many astrophilatelists may still question its origin since there are comparisons to known Riser productions.
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Tykeanaut
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From: Worcestershire, England, UK.
Registered: Apr 2008
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posted 04-26-2008 04:44 PM
Is it safe to assume that the remaining Armstrong signed items are genuine?
To me, Lot #2327, 2328, 2329 and 2345 look o.k. Any comments? |
LCDR Scott Schneeweis
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posted 04-28-2008 11:11 PM
Anybody had direct correspondence in the last few days with either Superior or Al Lipkin? I have initiated queries for clarification on a couple of lots to both but have yet to hear back. Al if you are monitoring the board look forward to hearing from you... Scott |
daveblog
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Registered: May 2004
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posted 04-29-2008 01:00 PM
Any opinions on this Tereshkova and Nikolayev signed wedding announcement from the upcoming Regency Superior auction? thanks Dave |
gliderpilotuk
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From: London, UK
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posted 04-30-2008 06:02 AM
looks good to me.Paul |
Alan Lipkin
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From: Beverly Hills, CA USA
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted 04-30-2008 04:13 PM
Just spoke to Scott on the telephone. I am still alive (if overwhelmed).We have been attempting to answer as many of the thousand + questions about the auction that have been submitted on EBay. Many have asked for additional photos or more detailed descriptions. This, in addition to the continuous phone calls has kept me from checking this thred on collectSPACE. Concerning some of the points raised. We have numerous Riser forgeries from the sale. A few more are in the process. A few have not been pulled since they may not actually be Risers and may just be thought to be because of their being postal stationery or being too clean. If they are proven to be forgeries after the sale we, of course will refund in full. Lot 2088 has a printed Glenn signature plus one genuine signed cover. Lot 2094 has been withdrawn. I will attempt to keep up with this thread over the next few days. As I indicated earlier in the thread, our next sale will have all autographes pre-checked by one or more recognized experts. |
Ross
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From: Australia
Registered: Jul 2003
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posted 05-01-2008 09:50 AM
Hello Alan,I'm sure all members of this thread appreciate that you are keeping an eye on this thread and withdrawing suspect material. I'm interested in the former Lot 2094. Do you intend to relist it in a future auction and how will you be describing it? To other members who have more experience than I have with suspect Noa covers, what do you believe the cover is worth? thanks
Ross. |
Alan Lipkin
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From: Beverly Hills, CA USA
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted 05-01-2008 11:27 AM
The consignor of the Riser covers insists that we return them to him. We have no control over what he will do with them in the future. He says that he purchased them from "reputable dealers" during the early 1970s and he is having difficulty accepting the fact that he was "taken" by forgeries. We hope that he will not attempt to sell them as genuine elsewhere.Almost all the items we have had to pull from this sale came from this one consignor from whom we received the material only one week before our photography deadline. One of the reasons we did not have the items checked as well as we should have. This is an explanation, not an excuse. We will not let this happen again. (Although, I do not believe anyone can absolutely promise perfection.) Best,
Alan |
DChudwin
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From: Lincolnshire IL USA
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 05-02-2008 09:07 AM
I have bid for a few items on-line through Regency-Superior's website (now closed for pre-bidding) and I really liked the format of their website bid system. Once registered, it is easy to review lots, go over your bids, make changes, and see if you have been outbid. I will not rehash the comments upthread about some of the really bad Riser covers that are in the catalog, but at least Alan Lipkin has been quick to pull them from the auction. As alway, buyers need to be ware of early space covers without stamps on them, especially those with barber-pole borders and pre-printed 6 and 7 cent airmail postage (which Riser used to prepare his skillful fakes). |
bulldog15
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posted 05-02-2008 05:27 PM
What about item 2329? |
micropooz
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From: Washington, DC, USA
Registered: Apr 2003
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posted 05-02-2008 09:05 PM
Well, here's a sadsack tale - I was watching the auction today on eBay Live (first time I had used it). The lot that I was interested in was buried about halfway through today's session. After watching for about the first hour, Superior hit a stretch of items that wasn't too interesting to me, and I started looking around the site. Suddenly, I inadvertantly clicked the mouse, and the message came up that said: "Your Bid Submitted". Well, I quickly looked up to learn that I had just bid $2500 (plus 22% comission) on lot 2048 (Martin Caidin's book "The Astronauts" autographed by the Original 7). I rapidly invented a few new cuss words and waited anxiously for someone to outbid me. They didn't. So I am the proud new owner of Lot 2048. If any of you were the next high bidder - please shoot me a message and let's talk turkey (of which I am now one). Lesson learned - when not bidding, unplug the $%^& mouse to be safe... |
taneal1
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From: Orlando, FL
Registered: Feb 2004
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posted 05-02-2008 10:19 PM
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Originally posted by DChudwin:
I have bid for a few items on-line through Regency-Superior's website (now closed for pre-bidding) and I really liked the format of their website bid system. Once registered, it is easy to review lots, go over your bids, make changes, and see if you have been outbid.
AFTER the auction closes, how do you check to see if you actually won anything? Even when I put in the first bid on an item, and no one else bid for at least 10 seconds I never saw a "You are Currently the high bidder" or anything like that. Twice my bid was accepted and the price went no higher, and the caption stated "internet bidder" won. So it seems that I would have won... |
mjanovec
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posted 05-03-2008 12:23 AM
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Originally posted by taneal1:
AFTER the auction closes, how do you check to see if you actually won anything? Even when I put in the first bid on an item, and no one else bid for at least 10 seconds I never saw a "You are Currently the high bidder" or anything like that.
If you're bidding using eBay live, it will say "Your bid" next to the bid amount, as oppsosed to "floor bidder" or "internet bidder." Sometimes if you click the bid button at nearly the same time as someone else, it's easy to think it's your bid that got registered, but if it doesn't say "Your bid" then, well, it's not your bid. Also, I believe the bid button "greys out" when your bid is the highest bid, making it not possible to bid again unless your bid has been beaten. When you win, a quick message will appear in green text in the bid window saying you won. And you'll get an e-mail from eBay confirming your win. |
spaced out
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posted 05-03-2008 12:33 AM
The bidding goes up in increments at small intervals so when several internet bidders all hit the button at more-or-less the same time around the world at a certain bid level only one can be taken into account.The bid that arrived first will be shown as the highest and that person will see (Your Bid) the rest will see the bid go to that level but not in green. When that happens you will need to try again at the next bidding level. |
mjanovec
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posted 05-03-2008 12:40 AM
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Originally posted by micropooz:
Well, I quickly looked up to learn that I had just bid $2500 (plus 22% comission) on lot 2048 (Martin Caidin's book "The Astronauts" autographed by the Original 7).
I have nightmares about such things. I move the mouse cursor FAR away from the bid button anytime the high dollar items come up sale. Look on the bright side...at least the signatures appear to be authentic! As such, you should be able to re-sell this someday and make back most, if not all, of your money. |
micropooz
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posted 05-03-2008 06:32 AM
Thanks for the kind words mjanovec! My biggest fear is that once I have the book in my hands, I will fall in love with it and not want to resell... It's a tough world we live in!!!  |
taneal1
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posted 05-03-2008 10:02 AM
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Originally posted by mjanovec:
Also, I believe the bid button "greys out" when your bid is the highest bid, making it not possible to bid again unless your bid has been beaten.
Yes, I DID see that. quote:
When you win, a quick message will appear in green text in the bid window saying you won. And you'll get an e-mail from eBay confirming your win.
Thanks, Mark. I NEVER saw any green text,so I didn't win anything.  Quite annoying when some of the items I wanted went for a low price which I IMMEDIATELY increased every time the bid went higher; yet someone else still got the lot. Not good for the seller either as they would have gotten a higher price!Tom |
gliderpilotuk
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posted 05-03-2008 11:33 AM
Well there certainly WERE some aberrations with Ebay Live. At one point it went haywire and lots were flying without a chance to bid. Then a message came up saying that "Ebay was overloaded" and there'd be a 5min break.Overall some good deals to be had. Very happy with my Ap 8 flown plug and the 3.25" book of original Ap8 mission commentary for a meagre $125. Paul |
mmmoo
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From: London, England
Registered: May 2001
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posted 05-03-2008 01:45 PM
Does anyone know if the Absentee bidding section of Regency's website is working? I used that last week, rather than ebay live, and have higher bids on some items than the final ebay live hammer price, but there is no mention whether I am the winner or not.Thanks
Mike |
stsmithva
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From: Fairfax, VA, USA
Registered: Feb 2007
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posted 05-03-2008 02:06 PM
If you were the one who outbid me on item 3019 (the "wonderful" 1966 birthday card signed by, well, just about everybody) please e-mail me. I know of an item available for sale by a dealer that would go VERY well with your new prize. Congratulations! Aaaargh!Steve P.S. If you know who got it, please let them know about this. |
dsenechal
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posted 05-03-2008 03:24 PM
I can't describe how disappointed I am. I'd waited weeks to bid on 3185. The time came, I was happily bidding away on ebay, and suddenly, bidding was done and the item had closed, just like that. The only other bidder got it. I called Superior and they blamed ebay. Superior, if you're reading this and there's anything you can do, please let me know.
David Senechal |
J. Priest
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posted 05-03-2008 06:54 PM
Mike,
I have had a similar experience. I bid almost twice the final eBay live price by absentee with the Regency website 2-3 days before the auction. From what I can tell, I did not win. How can that be? |
mjanovec
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posted 05-04-2008 01:21 AM
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Originally posted by J. Priest:
From what I can tell, I did not win. How can that be?
Are you sure you didn't win? Absentee bids placed through Regency will appear on eBay as a "floor bidder." |
J. Priest
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posted 05-04-2008 09:55 AM
Don't know for sure. The eBay live bidder is listed as top bidder, not a live auction floor bidder...but it is possible, I guess, that the eBay bid history is incorrect.Jeff |
taneal1
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From: Orlando, FL
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posted 05-04-2008 05:06 PM
Anyone here win any of the following lots:2065
2068
2069
2078 You can email directly if you prefer... taneal1@bellsouth.net Thanks in Advance Tom |
mikeh
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posted 05-04-2008 08:42 PM
I did stick to my decision and stayed completely away from all of the signed Apollo items that I would have bid on, due to the numerous missed forgeries and autopens. I sure hope that R-S employes a well respected Space authenticator or two next time. I did bid on a few other things that I felt 100% sure about. {If the same person took both Shepard SSS photos 2068 & 2069 please let me know if you want to sell one...} What annoyed me was not being able to see the final bids or even to see if the auctions had ended. I had to go to ebay to get that info. Also, I never got any email from R-S confrming my bids or when I was outbid. I hope that they one day update their system. I much prefer the way Heritage keeps you informed. |
Aztecdoug
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posted 05-04-2008 09:13 PM
In retrospect I was a little curious about lots 2443 & 2444. Both are Apollo 14 crew signed photos. The first one went for $800 and the second went for $85. Did I miss something here?I did attend the auction in person. Let me tell you, I miss the good old days before eBay. Auctions really crawl these days. I gave up waiting for the ALT stuff and just picked up a couple of Apollo items. The ALT stuff went for prices that I would have loved, but I just can't spend all those hours waiting and waiting... after all I do have two little ones who need to be tucked in at a reasonable hour. I am real happy with my lots. Thank goodness for having a plan "B". It seems like I go to plan "B" more and more, after all, I have a budget! Maybe the next auction will go faster without eBay. I understand that they are going to move to an in-house Internet based auction service for the fall auction. They said that eBay was running 20 auctions at the same time on Friday which was why it ran so erratically.
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X-Plane Fan
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posted 05-05-2008 10:29 AM
I bid on lot #3124 on Thursday and received an email this morning that I was the winning bidder on lot #3214!! I was told that they take the bids from the web an enter them by hand and someone on their end transposed the numbers. A short phone call and they removed the mistake. |
liebeek
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Registered: Jan 2008
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posted 05-05-2008 01:44 PM
I bought a few items including nr 2981 because I haven't got any Buzz Aldrin signatures yet. Now I am starting to doubt myself if I did the right thing. I bought this lot for 115 without the premium but the picture I saw was not very clear and I was in a hurry so... you start wondering about authenticity. Can anyone have a look at it with an experienced eye and tell me if I made a mistake or not? Very much appreciated,Regards,
Ruud |
SRB
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posted 05-05-2008 09:55 PM
The prices realized for this sale are now online. |
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