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Topic: Ok, u Space Cadets - Need some assistance
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db54
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posted 03-14-2006 04:49 AM
   
Now that is funny...
Speaking of which, I finally received the rubberstamped COA by R&R (the stamp is from Eaton). They merely claim that the erroeneous name was just a typo (not someone just coping the names from the original supplier's COA to one of their COAs).
Now the only problem is that the supplier of the article's COA indicates 20 signatures and R&R's COA indicates 18.
Maybe it's a multiple choice item ;-) |
db54
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posted 04-06-2006 06:12 PM
Hi All - just received this email from the association and since it is relevant and it would now seem that historic artifacts would now be called into question. It would seem to me than ANY authenticator for R&R ought to be suspect with regards to their authentication and working relationships.info@iada-cc.com
Sent : Thursday, April 6, 2006 6:31 PM
To : db54@hotmail.com
Subject : John Reznikoff John Reznikoff, University Archives. and PSA/DNA has been making threatening phone calls and e-mails to several members of the IADA . This attacked is based on a story Steven Koschal has written on autographalert.com called
Is Your Autograph Genuine?
Your "Guess" May Be As Good As The "Guess"
The So-Called Experts Make, Maybe Even Better!
A file has been started on John Reznikoff's actions and personal threats. (YOU ALL WILL GET TO REVIEW A DANGEROUS MANS LAST RESORT) If you have been Harassed in any way on a personal matter by Mr Reznikoff please contact us asap. These threats and personal Harassment will not be taken lightly.
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Scott
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posted 04-06-2006 06:21 PM
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Originally posted by db54:
It would seem to me than ANY authenticator for R&R ought to be suspect with regards to their authentication and working relationships.
You're wrong.
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alexanderautographs
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posted 04-06-2006 10:35 PM
Have to agree with Scott on this one, db.
We simply can't tar all paid authenticators with the same brush - it's just not fair nor ethical. Altho' I buy little from R&R on the basis of principle ($500 min. bid on $5000 documents, whatever that means), having looked at Scott's credentials and devotion to this hobby, and speaking as a professional in the trade (and as an individual) I just can't condemn him for any reason. Don't want to sound harsh...just trying to be fair-minded. Of course, the evil in me says: Read the report at www.autographalert.com "Breaking News". True or not, someone did a lot of work and must either have good facts - or just hates PSA/DNA... |
Scott
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posted 04-06-2006 10:59 PM
Thank you so much, alexanderautographs. I greatly appreciate your very kind words. |
db54
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posted 04-07-2006 06:24 PM
I thought there might be some disagreement. However, I went back thru my catalogs and see a number of space items that not only have an R&R COA but also that of Reznikoff psa/dna. I don't see Scott's name listed anywhere on the booklets but perhaps I missed one or two. Nonetheless, it is painfully obvious that R&R purposely misleads bidders with regards to authenticity and when any authenticator is not listed specifically by name but rather offered as a company COA which is tarnished then they too become tarnished by association, regardless of their convictions. Since one does not know whom is whom or whom provided the COA, the bidder is at risk. |
Robert Pearlman
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posted 04-07-2006 06:56 PM
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it is painfully obvious that R&R purposely misleads bidders with regards to authenticity
Not to defend R&R, as I personally will never buy from them for reasons unrelated to any of their staff, but I question this statement. If an item is authentic and they label it as authentic, how are they purposely misleading bidders? My point being, you need to take each lot on a case-by-case basis, otherwise you're just throwing the good out with the bad, which serves no one. |
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posted 04-08-2006 07:20 AM
It's pretty simple. R&R is owned/operated by Bob Eaton, a PSA authenticator. Other PSA authenticators used by R&R include Roger Epperson and John Reznikoff, and their approved lots are sold with a PSA certificate. Despite being a PSA authenticator, to my knowledge Eaton does NOT include PSA certificates with material examined by him alone, probably because he would have to pay PSA a fee for every certificate issued. That being said, if you patently distrust everything PSA touches, don't bid on lots so marked. If you don't trust Bob Eaton/R&R don't bid on R&R lots in the sale. If you trust Scott's eye, bid on stuff he's signed off-on, if not, then don't bid. It's a free country (spend your money with ME instead!). BTW - just noticed that R&R is now offering its own authentication service! As I suspected, it's come down to a money grab by some "battling authenticators",some of whom should be tarred and feathered for their business practices. Thankfully, very soon we'll go back to "the old days" - an established dealer/auctioneer with a good "eye" backs up his material with cold, hard cash (not an "opinion" on a piece of paper), and sleazy/crooked sellers get weeded-out by Postal Inspectors and/or the FBI. |
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posted 04-08-2006 02:10 PM
==== from Rob Pearlman; If an item is authentic and they label it as authentic, how are they purposely misleading bidders? My point being, you need to take each lot on a case-by-case basis, otherwise you're just throwing the good out with the bad, which serves no one. ====This one is easy - when they claim it to be and you then ask a simple question of both Steve Grad and Bob Eaton - Did you in fact personally review and authenticate the item in question - and they decline to respond. In Steve Grad's case he requested to be removed from emails and directed me to the PSA/DNA website. Thus, the authenticity would certainly be called into question. The problem with finding Scott authenticated items is simply problematic as it appears they offer Space Collectables under R&R soley and/or under Reznikoff & R&R. I would even go so far to question as to whether or not Scott's authentications have been rubber stamped onto others w/o his knowledge as was the case of a former PSA/DNA authenticator who left PSA/DNA but whose name was used on COA's for months thereafter. Who would be the wiser and how would anyone know unless they could locate Scott. |
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posted 04-08-2006 02:17 PM
alexanderAuto - thanks for the update on R&R. Since I have lost all access to R&R (gee, I wonder why!), it is not possible to see what they offer or when.Of course, this doesn't surprise me in the least as perhaps joe Orlando did crack down on the auction house loa misrepresentation to buyers with auction houses as he claimed he would do. |
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