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Topic: Soyuz MS-12: Viewing, comments, questions
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Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42988 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 12-03-2018 12:40 PM
This thread is intended for comments and questions about the Soyuz MS-12 mission. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42988 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 12-03-2018 12:41 PM
Soyuz MS-10 crewmates Alexey Ovchinin and Nick Hague have been reassigned to Soyuz MS-12, joining Christina Hammock Koch on the Feb. 28, 2019 launch to the International Space Station.Ovchinin and Hague replace Oleg Skripochka and a United Arab Emirates (UAE) astronaut (Hazza Al Mansouri or Sultan Al Niadi). |
PowerCat Member Posts: 193 From: Herington, KS, USA Registered: Feb 2006
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posted 12-03-2018 01:04 PM
This is excellent news, Robert. Glad for Nick as our local Kansas astronaut and getting a chance for ISS flight. |
LM-12 Member Posts: 3208 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Oct 2010
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posted 12-06-2018 03:32 AM
spacefacts.de has Ovchinin and Hague landing in separate Soyuz vehicles, which seems to contradict the NASA announcement. |
SPACEFACTS Member Posts: 301 From: Germany Registered: Aug 2006
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posted 12-06-2018 04:33 AM
It seems that Roscosmos wants to launch a UAE cosmonaut on MS-15 and land him on MS-12. So one MS-12 crewmember has to stay a full year on the ISS. This should be Ovchinin and Hague can be Soyuz return commander on MS-12. |
india-mike Member Posts: 76 From: Linnich, Northrine Westfalia, Germany Registered: Jan 2012
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posted 12-06-2018 05:43 AM
If spacefacts is correct (and by the way spacefacts.de is one of my primary sources for manned spaceflight launch and landing schedules), this would mean that for the first time ever a non-Russian or Soviet citizen would be in command of a Russian Soyuz capsule during lift off or reentry and landing.I can hardly believe this. On the other hand it would be a surprise not only for Nick Hague (on his secdond space flight) but also for NASA and the U.S government. Imagine a non U.S. citizens had been in command or piloted a Space Shuttle mission. |
LM-12 Member Posts: 3208 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Oct 2010
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posted 12-07-2018 04:58 AM
Is having a spaceflight participant fly on MS-15 for what would be a brief stay on the ISS that important? It certainly complicates things, it would seem. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42988 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 12-07-2018 05:38 AM
It is important to the United Arab Emirates, as it is their bid to fly their first citizen to space. It is important to Roscosmos and Energia because it is a source of funding. |
Hart Sastrowardoyo Member Posts: 3445 From: Toms River, NJ Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 12-07-2018 07:04 AM
Granted, you have to have money to fly as a spaceflight participant, but I think flying them also has another consequence: Showing that the Soyuz is still reliable after 50 years and modifications, reliable enough to fly "civilians." |
Neil DC Member Posts: 140 From: Middletown, NJ, USA Registered: May 2010
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posted 12-10-2018 11:39 AM
The Russians/Roscosmos would never permit anyone other than their cosmonauts to dock or land a Soyuz. It will be interesting to see how they rejig the crewing to accommodate the UAE astronaut. As usual rookie cosmonauts like Tikhonov draw the short straw and get bumped again. |
LM-12 Member Posts: 3208 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Oct 2010
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posted 12-12-2018 11:45 AM
The Dec. 10 NASA media advisory says this about the Soyuz MS-12 crew: Hague and Koch will serve as flight engineers for Expeditions 59 and 60. Ovchinin will serve as a flight engineer on Expedition 59 and commander of Expedition 60. The trio will return to Earth in October. |
Neil DC Member Posts: 140 From: Middletown, NJ, USA Registered: May 2010
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posted 01-13-2019 02:55 PM
quote: Originally posted by SPACEFACTS: This should be Ovchinin and Hague can be Soyuz return commander on MS-12.
Just seen on Spacefacts that they have revised the landing crews to replace Hague with Ovchinin. Thus ensuring a Russian commander controls the Soyuz landing for every mission. I was never in any doubt that this would happen. It was just a matter of who specifically would do it. Still admire Spacefacts for doing their very best to predict crewing according to official and unofficial information. They are usually more right than wrong. Still time for more changes of course. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42988 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 01-13-2019 06:21 PM
The change seems to be based on this report from Russian state media: "An option for US astronaut Nick Hague to carry out a year-long flight to the ISS in 2019-2020 in being considered," the source said.According to the source, another less likely option is to send to that flight US astronaut Christina Koch, which, together with Ovchinin and Hague, will fly to the ISS in March on the Soyuz MS-12 spacecraft. "The need for an annual flight was caused by the fact that the first astronaut of the United Arab Emirates was supposed to fly on the Soyuz MS-12. Now this place on the ship is occupied by astronauts, and to fulfill the contract with the Arab side, some of the astronauts must remain on the ISS for one year," the source explained. |
india-mike Member Posts: 76 From: Linnich, Northrine Westfalia, Germany Registered: Jan 2012
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posted 01-14-2019 02:47 AM
Until now there is no other alternative for crew return than with the Russian Soyuz capsule. But imagine the commercial crew capsules will be considered operational by the end of the year 2019 then there could be integrated another seat for additional return capability.You only have to add another newly developed Launch and Entry Suit for the extended crew. That would be an option for a Flight Engineer of Soyuz MS-12 to return back to Earth earlier. By the way, thank you to spacefacts.de to give us the best possible updates on upcoming crewed missions. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42988 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 03-13-2019 10:13 AM
quote: Originally posted by LM-12: Ovchinin and Hague landing in separate Soyuz vehicles...
Per NASA public affairs officer Rob Navias, Ovchinin and Hague will land together, with Christina Hoch waiting for a later return. NASA's Rob Navias explained definitively that "Hague returns to Earth in October and, as of now, Morgan returns to Earth in December," although he added that "regardless of when he returns", Hague will serve as the left-seat Flight Engineer-1 aboard the Soyuz.Launching alongside the UAE spaceflight participant are expected to be Russian cosmonaut Oleg Skripochka — who will rejoin his one-time crewmate Christina Koch — and former NASA Chief Astronaut Chris Cassidy, who will remain aboard the space station until late spring 2020. According to Mr. Navias, "we expect Koch to remain on-board ISS" beyond October, with Ovchinin and Hague joining the UAE astronaut aboard Soyuz MS-12 for the return to Earth on 3 October. Asked if Koch would land on Soyuz MS-13 in December, or remain aboard even longer, perhaps returning on Soyuz MS-15 in April 2020, Mr. Navias advised us that "the Flight Program is under review." |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42988 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 03-14-2019 10:57 AM
The question of who will remain aboard the space station longer than the other two may not yet be answered. At the Soyuz MS-12 pre-launch press conference on Wednesday (March 13), Aleksey Ovchinin addressed the issue: This question is currently being decided. There are some options available, but after our launch, the issue will be resolved and we will have final information about who of us is going to stay there for longer than expected. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42988 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 03-14-2019 03:06 PM
Soyuz MS-12 launched on March 14 (3/14) at 3:14 p.m. EDT (or π at π).Christina Koch is now the 572nd person to fly into space (based on 50 mile/80 kilometer threshold). |
Hart Sastrowardoyo Member Posts: 3445 From: Toms River, NJ Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 03-14-2019 07:13 PM
And now there's no doubt Hague will get his gold pin. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42988 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 03-14-2019 10:22 PM
Bill Gerstenmaier, NASA's Associate Administrator for Human Exploration and Operations, has confirmed that "Christina [Koch] will stay longer and Drew Morgan will also stay longer than the 180 days." We're working with Roscosmos to finalize the flight plan for this year, and in that flight plan our crews will end up staying a bit longer, the U.S. crews will, and that will allow the UAE expedition in the fall. |
MSS Member Posts: 633 From: Poland Registered: May 2003
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posted 03-15-2019 04:03 PM
Can someone put correct birth date of Christina Koch? I have met three dates: January 29, February 2 and March 9.Which one is good NASA's version? |
issman1 Member Posts: 1042 From: UK Registered: Apr 2005
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posted 03-16-2019 02:05 AM
Speaking of Christina Koch, she appeared to snub Oleg Kononenko upon entering ISS. Nor was Alexey Ovichinin greeted by David Saint-Jacques. |
cspg Member Posts: 6210 From: Geneva, Switzerland Registered: May 2006
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posted 03-16-2019 09:23 AM
quote: Originally posted by MSS: Can someone put correct birth date of Christina Koch?
Her bio page doesn't even mention her birth date (go figure). Jan. 29 seems to be the more common (Wikipedia) and Feb. 2 comes from Spacefacts.de (which I'd rather trust)- not seen March 9. |
Tom Member Posts: 1597 From: New York Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 03-16-2019 11:54 AM
quote: Originally posted by issman1: ...she appeared to snub Oleg Kononenko upon entering ISS. Nor was Alexey Ovichinin greeted by David Saint-Jacques.
Yes... I noticed that as well. |
Rolf Member Posts: 21 From: Netherlands Registered: May 2007
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posted 03-17-2019 06:31 AM
The real entering of the ISS had already taken place with the cameras off. |
jasonelam Member Posts: 691 From: Monticello, KY USA Registered: Mar 2007
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posted 03-18-2019 05:12 AM
So you’re saying the video we saw was a re-creation? |
issman1 Member Posts: 1042 From: UK Registered: Apr 2005
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posted 03-20-2019 08:55 AM
So the Soyuz MS-12 crewmembers were told to fake/stage their entrance into ISS a second time because the first wasn't live on NASA TV. And this also explains any informality observed by viewers? |
mode1charlie Member Posts: 1169 From: Honolulu, HI Registered: Sep 2010
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posted 09-25-2019 01:32 PM
Is there a confirmed return date for Soyuz MS-12 yet? |
SPACEFACTS Member Posts: 301 From: Germany Registered: Aug 2006
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posted 09-25-2019 01:47 PM
October 03, 2019 |