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Robert Pearlman
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posted 10-16-2008 12:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
collectSPACE: The 100th Soyuz flight that (maybe) isn't
At the center of the Soyuz TMA-13 crew emblem is the number '100', which in turn, is itself the center of a debate. The three digits were meant by the designer, Soyuz TMA-13 commander Yuri Lonchakov, to mark a milestone: the 100th Soyuz to carry people. One problem: his flight may not be the hundredth.

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posted 10-16-2008 12:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lee Robert Brandon-Cremer   Click Here to Email Lee Robert Brandon-Cremer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Soyuz TMA-13 is the 98th not 100th

Flight History (to be clear)

  • Soyuz 1-40 (Soyuz-2, 20 & 34 unmanned, Soyuz 18-1 made it to 90 mile boundary, manned).
  • Soyuz T 1-15 (Soyuz T-1 unmanned) T-10-1 not counted
  • Soyuz TM 1-34 (Soyuz TM-1 unmanned)
  • Soyuz TMA 1-13 (all manned)

Total: 38+14+33+13=98

Counting Soyuz 18-1, but not counting Soyuz T-10-1.

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posted 10-16-2008 12:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, TMA-13 is the 98th manned Soyuz to launch to space, but that's not what Yuri Lonchakov (who introduced the 100-count) was counting.

He was counting manned Soyuz flights, regardless of where or when in their flight profile they were manned.

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posted 10-16-2008 05:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lee Robert Brandon-Cremer   Click Here to Email Lee Robert Brandon-Cremer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok Robert lets play this game...

Add Soyuz T-10-1 then the total comes to 99. Not 100. I already counted Soyuz 18-1. Do the math prove me wrong.

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posted 10-16-2008 08:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robonaut   Click Here to Email Robonaut     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Soyuz 34 landed manned by Vladimir Lyakhov and Valery Ryumin. Their launch spacecraft Soyuz 32 landed unmanned. Therefore Yuri Lonchakov is correct. There have been 100 manned Soyuz.

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posted 10-16-2008 11:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ben   Click Here to Email Ben     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lee, did you read the article?

What you are saying is essentially the same thing being brought up in response to Lonchakov's patch saying this is the 100th manned Soyuz. The article explains the different counts.

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I totally forgot about Soyuz 34. I kept adding up the Soyuz vehicles and got to 99 (including Soyuz TMA-13), until the message reminding me about Soyuz 34, which was launched after Soyuz 33 failed to reach Salyut 6 and Soyuz 32 was beyond it's shelf life. Thanks for the reminder!

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In a somewhat confusing move, given their earlier decision to publish an article by Alexander Zheleznyakov disputing the claim that TMA-13 was the 100th Soyuz, Roscosmos has now posted a video to their website that asserts (by its title) that Soyuz TMA-13 was the 100th.

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Damn! Robert is always right! Soyuz-34!

I know I am stating the same info as the article, I just wanted to show some numbers. I agree TMA-13 is indeed mission 100 (manned and above 90 miles).

I hate being proved wrong! Thank you all.

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posted 10-17-2008 12:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lee Robert Brandon-Cremer:
I agree TMA-13 is indeed mission 100 (manned and above 90 miles).
No, you were right: TMA-13 is the 99th mission to be manned and fly above 90 miles. It is also however, the 100th Soyuz to carry people (Soyuz T-10-1 reached a maximum altitude of 2,000 feet).

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