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neo1022
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posted 12-21-2018 10:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for neo1022   Click Here to Email neo1022     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anyone know where I can find a summary of the dates for Apollo command and service module (CSM) processing and testing at Kennedy Space Center? Want to know when each spacecraft arrived at KSC and entered the testing and checkout workflow...

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posted 12-22-2018 11:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for neo1022   Click Here to Email neo1022     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Found most of the information I needed in "Apollo: The Definitive Sourcebook."

Still looking for arrival dates and flight readiness dates for CM-111 (ASTP), 116 (Skylab 2/I), 117 (Skylab 3/II), 118 (Skylab 4/III).

Any help much appreciated!

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posted 12-22-2018 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I found these KSC arrival dates:
  • CSM-116: Aug 1, 1972
  • CSM-117: Dec 1, 1972
  • CSM-118: ?
  • CSM-111: Sep 7, 1974

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posted 12-24-2018 11:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for heng44   Click Here to Email heng44     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
CSM-118: February 14, 1973.

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posted 12-24-2018 05:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I got my Skylab dates from the Saturn IB flight evaluation reports. I suspect that the CSM-116 arrival date (Aug 1) is not correct.

I think it might have been July 20.

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posted 12-25-2018 07:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NavyPilot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My records indicate 116 arrived on 7/19, but I didn't record the provenance of that date.

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posted 12-26-2018 04:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for heng44   Click Here to Email heng44     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LM-12:
I think it might have been July 20.
I have photos of the spacecraft being uncrated, dated July 21.

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posted 12-26-2018 09:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Apollo 17 spacecraft was moved to the VAB on August 22, so there might be some photos that show both CSM-114 (Apollo 17) and CSM-116 (Skylab 2) in the Manned Spacecraft Operations Building.

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posted 12-26-2018 09:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NavyPilot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Understand about the printed photo dates. Recognize that often those are the release dates, not exposure dates. Who knows!

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posted 12-26-2018 09:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NavyPilot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just realized that I was talking to Ed!

Sorry if that was condescending — it was not supposed to be. I assumed that it might have been someone who doesn't understand the problem with NASA photo dates.

Certainly I know you do!!!

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No problem!

I indeed know photo dates aren't always accurate, but KSC photos usually are dated correctly.

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posted 12-26-2018 11:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for heng44   Click Here to Email heng44     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LM-12:
...there might be some photos that show both CSM-114 (Apollo 17) and CSM-116 (Skylab 2) in the Manned Spacecraft Operations Building.
Not the CSM, but there is one of the Apollo 17 LM passing the SL-2 CSM in the MSOB on August 16, 1972.

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posted 12-26-2018 11:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ed, I think that is the Apollo 17 CSM. The Skylab CM did not have the blue protective tape all over. The Skylab CSM could be hidden in the Integrated Test Stand beyond.

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posted 12-26-2018 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for heng44   Click Here to Email heng44     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good point.

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posted 12-26-2018 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From the dates I have seen, all three Skylab CSMs may have been in the MSOB at the same time for a brief period in February 1973.

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posted 12-27-2018 08:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
1973 photo KSC-73P-59 might show two of them: CM-118 arriving at the MSOB on Feb 14, and CSM-116/SLA in the Integrated Test Stand. Do you have that photo?

CSM-117 was also in the MSOB: from Dec 1972 to June 1973.

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posted 12-27-2018 08:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From NASA SP-4011, referring to CSM-116:
On 9 February 1973 the SLA was mated to the CSM. The CSM/SLA was then moved to the Vehicle Assembly Building on 20 February 1973 and mated to the launch vehicle the following day. Transfer of the SL-2 to LC-39B was completed 27 February.

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posted 12-27-2018 10:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NASA SP-4011 also has these KSC arrival dates:
  • CSM-116: July 19, 1972
  • CSM-117: December 1, 1972
  • CSM-118: February 10, 1973

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posted 12-30-2018 04:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LM-12:
The Skylab CSM could be hidden in the Integrated Test Stand beyond.

The Skylab CSM-116 was actually in Altitude Chamber L on August 16, 1972 for a combined systems test.

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posted 01-03-2019 10:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Skylab 2 Post-Launch Report has a detailed list of pre-launch events at KSC. The CSM-116 milestone events begin on page 2-8.

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Can anyone confirm that the CSM-119 Skylab Rescue Vehicle arrived at KSC on May 2, 1973? I don't recall ever seeing any photos of CSM-119 in the MSOB.

If that date is correct, then all four Skylab command modules were at the Cape before the first Skylab launch.

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I have a copy of a memo, dated Sept 24, 73, outlining changes to the Skylab processing. It includes dates for; CSM-119 available for delivery to KSC on 2 May, and to be on dock at KSC on 7 May. It may be the case that these milestones were completed earlier. If you wish a copy of memo please feel free to contact me.

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posted 01-11-2019 11:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Apollo Program Summary Report has some conflicting dates regarding when these Apollo spacecraft (CSM/LM/SLA) were moved from the MSOB to the VAB. Which dates are correct?
  • Apollo 12: June 20 or June 30? (1969)
  • Apollo 13: December 9 or December 10? (1969)
  • Apollo 16: December 7 or December 8? (1971)
  • Apollo 17: August 22 or August 24? (1972)

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posted 01-11-2019 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Photo KSC-69P-0204 dated 1969-04-02 has this caption:
Apollo command and service modules scheduled for manned landing missions on the moon cross paths in the Manned Spacecraft Operations Building at the spaceport. The meeting occurred last night when the CSM for Apollo 11 was being hoisted out of a test chamber and the CSM for Apollo 12, which recently arrived at Kennedy Space Center, was getting its initial checkouts in the aisle. Apollo 11 is scheduled for the first manned lunar landing mission this summer.
LM-5 and LM-6 were also in the MSOB when the photo was taken.

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posted 01-13-2019 08:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Which dates are correct?
The same Apollo 12 photo is dated June 30, 1969 in the Apollo Image Gallery.

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I count five occasions when there were four different spacecraft being processed in the MSOB at the same time:
  • LM-3, CSM-104, LM-4 and CSM-106 from Nov 25 to Dec 3, 1968
  • LM-4, CSM-106, LM-5 and CSM-107 from Jan 23 to Feb 6, 1969
  • LM-5, CSM-107, LM-6 and CSM-108 from Mar 28 to Apr 14, 1969
  • LM-6, CSM-108, CSM-109 and LM-7 from Jun 28 to Jun 30, 1969
  • CSM-109, LM-7, CSM-110 and LM-8 from Nov 24 to Dec 10, 1969
Also noteworthy during the Skylab CSM processing:
  • LM-12, CSM-114 and CSM-116 from Jul 19 to Aug 24, 1972
  • CSM-116, ATM, AM/MDA and CSM-117 from Dec 1 to Jan 29, 1973
  • CSM-116, CSM-117 and CSM-118 from Feb 10 to Feb 20, 1973
  • CSM-117, CSM-118 and CSM-119 from May 2 to Jun 7, 1973

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The Skylab Apollo Telescope Mount (ATM), Airlock Module/ Multiple Docking Adapter (AM/MDA) and solar arrays were delivered to the MSOB for pre-launch testing in late 1972. The checkouts included a docking test with CSM-116 and the AM/MDA. A special clean room was built in the MSOB for the ATM testing.

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Photo KSC-73P-33 dated January 30, 1973 shows the Skylab ATM being prepared to be moved from the MSOB to the VAB. CSM-116 can be seen in the background. CSM-117 was also in the MSOB at the time.

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posted 01-19-2019 08:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by neo1022:
Still looking for ... flight readiness dates
Flight Readiness Test completion dates from NASA SP-4011:
  • April 5, 1973 (Skylab 2)
  • June 29, 1973 (Skylab 3)
  • September 5, 1973 (Skylab Rescue mission)
  • October 11, 1973 (Skylab 4)

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CSM-110 (for Apollo 14) was also in the MSOB when KSC-70PC-537 was taken. The photo is dated October 16, 1970. The Apollo 15 and 19 missions had been cancelled the previous month. Must be LM-8 and LM-9 in the photo.

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Were there any special banners/signs for the last CSM or LM?

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Apollo 11 photo 69-HC-371 shows the CSM in the MSOB before the engine nozzle extension was installed. The Apollo 12 service module can be seen in the background.

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What CSM processing events were done in the blue test stand seen in 69-HC-371?

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The MSOB had a low bay and a high bay. How was the LM moved from a low bay work stand to the high bay altitude chamber when the overhead cranes were at different levels?

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What CSM processing events were done in the blue test stand seen in 69-HC-371?
Install the engine bell.

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I had thought that maybe the engine bell was installed here.

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Sorry, I thought that was the blue test stand you were referring to.

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Actually Ed, I was referring to the large blue structure to the left of the CSM in photo 69-HC-371.

Just noticed that the blue circular support base can also be seen under the CSM inside the large blue test stand in the Apollo 17 photo you posted earlier.

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