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SpaceAholic
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posted 06-11-2018 12:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceAholic   Click Here to Email SpaceAholic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The presence of astronauts on the moon caused an unexpected warming of its subsurface temperatures for a period of time in the 1970s, a new study has found.
Using photos from the extremely high-resolution camera aboard the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) orbiting the moon, the scientists determined that as astronauts walked or drove on the moon, it disturbed the anorthosite lunar soil — also known as regolith — left over from billions of years of bombardment from space rocks.

That disruption exposed the darker soil, which then absorbed more of the sun's energy and ultimately raised the moon's temperatures...

Over years, that energy propagated downward and deeper into the lunar surface, which is what appeared on the newly acquired data record.

Eventually the temperatures would have reached an equilibrium as absorption stopped, said Kiefer, noting it may have already happened.

MCroft04
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posted 06-11-2018 09:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MCroft04   Click Here to Email MCroft04     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Boy, I'm really struggling with this one. I should have been born in Missouri, the "show me" state, and before I believe this claim I need to see some data.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 06-11-2018 09:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The scientific paper is available for those desiring a deeper dive into the findings.

oly
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posted 06-12-2018 01:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for oly   Click Here to Email oly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Looking at the data on an excel spreadsheet, and plotting a graph, there is a definite rise in the Apollo 17 recorded data over time. The story reports that scientists at the time could not account for the rise.

This theory gives an explanation to the rise in recorded temp. Without retrieving the equipment and checking the calibration, we assume the equipment was sending true data. So using some basic logic, try to account for the gradual rise in temp in areas that astronauts worked.

The Apollo 15 data shows a cyclic rise and fall of temp that correlates to Earth/Moon journey around the sun. There is no atmosphere or cloud cover to influence the temperature, and the time period of these recordings do not align with recorded solar activity increases, as the sun was in a period of decrease activity from 1971 thru 1977.

Solar hot water systems can raise the temp of water to near boiling point by cycling the water over a black heatsink, heated by the sun, solar ovens can heat food, and the sun can heat black roadways to some very high temps (trust me on this, I live in Australia). So why is it so hard to believe that there may be some merit to this theory?

There may be many other reasons to explain these results, perhaps the RTG heats the surrounding area, or equipment deterioration over time. It is good to see that the science is still being looked at after all these years.

MCroft04
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posted 06-12-2018 12:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MCroft04   Click Here to Email MCroft04     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Robert I found an abstract but could not access the full paper. From the abstract.
We suggest that, as a result of the astronauts' activities, solar heat intake by the regolith increased slightly on average, and that resulted in the observed warming. Simple analytical heat conduction models with constant regolith thermal properties can show that an abrupt increase in surface temperature of 1.6 to 3.5 K at the time of probe deployment best duplicates the magnitude and the timing of the observed subsurface warmings at both Apollo sites.
One of my concerns; note the use of term "we suggest" and words "simple" and "can" do not give me great confidence that the authors have scientifically proved the reasons for the measured temperature anomalies. They seem to have developed their preferred hypothesis, but in order to do good science based on observations and measurements one needs to develop multiple working hypotheses and then assess each one with more data (if available- if not then you live with multiple hypotheses). There may be other ways to explain the data.

Their results appear to me to be model based, and while models are an important part of the scientific process, they should be treated as a possible proxy and not as gospel.

For me to buy into this idea, I'd need to see the surface area of all of the tracks measured (or at least approximated), an assessment of the change in reflectivity from the light to the dark soil, the associated response in temperature to these changes, and then an assessment of the influence of the increased temperatures on the entire area that the astronauts explored.

Call me picky if you want but I don't see definitive evidence to support the conclusion reached by these authors. After reading their abstract, I believe they are simply suggesting one possibility, and not claiming that they have solved the problem.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 06-12-2018 01:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For the full paper, see here, click on "Purchase instant access" from the sidebar on the right and select either "Rent for 48 hours" for $6 or "Buy cloud access" for $15.

Also, here is a blog entry from the American Geophysical Union about the findings.

The missing tapes and the weekly performance logs gave the researchers enough new information to tease out a likely cause for the mysterious heating. The probes closer to the surface saw a greater temperature jump and saw it sooner than the probes deeper down, suggesting the heat started from the surface and moved downward.

The researchers also paired the new data with images of the Moon's surface from the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter. The images show the astronauts' activity disturbed the surface environment at their landing sites, which darkened the lunar soil in those areas. Darker soil absorbs more light from the sun, which makes it warmer, and the researchers suspect this is what caused the warming.

"It doesn't take much disturbance to get that very subtle warming on the surface," Nagihara said. "So analysis of the historic data together with the new images of the Moon really helped us characterize how the surface warmed."

MadSci
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posted 06-12-2018 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MadSci     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In the language of science, this abstract is correctly written. The authors are not, as you said, claiming to have definitively proven the only possible cause, but rather have observed the available data, and in concert with other known facts, developed a testable hypothesis, tested it, and found the results of the test to be consistent with the hypothesis.

In this case, lacking the ability to carry out a controlled test on the surface of the moon, modelling was used to test the hypothesis.

The limits of model-based testing are well known, but it is obviously appropriate to utilize in this case. The language in the abstracts is appropriate recognition of the limits to the conclusions that can be drawn.

All in all, a nice piece of work. Now if only we could send another geologist up there to do a controlled test...

MCroft04
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posted 06-12-2018 07:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MCroft04   Click Here to Email MCroft04     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Agree MadSci.

After thinking more about this I am a little more inclined to consider that it is possible that the footprints in the immediate vicinity of the heat flow experiment could be responsible for the observed temp changes (over a small concentrated area).

But I don't think they need to go back to the moon to further their work. Again, estimate changes in reflectivity and surface area affected and do some good old science.

But I'll gladly volunteer to go and collect more data!

oly
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posted 06-13-2018 06:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for oly   Click Here to Email oly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MCroft04:
But I'll gladly volunteer to go and collect more data!
Sign me up, I will be there, I will do what I can to help.

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