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TLIGuy
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posted 08-17-2016 11:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TLIGuy   Click Here to Email TLIGuy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Would anyone be kind enough to help me locate this original photograph unsigned in the highest resolution available? A link to the gallery where it is located would be fantastic if possible.

I have searched numerous NASA galleries and can only find image AST-03-171 that was taken at the same time but not the photograph below.

Any help or direction would be greatly appreciated.

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posted 08-17-2016 01:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TLIGuy   Click Here to Email TLIGuy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you very much J.L.

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posted 08-17-2016 04:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for J.L   Click Here to Email J.L     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Happy to help.

TLIGuy
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posted 08-19-2016 02:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TLIGuy   Click Here to Email TLIGuy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would like to ask for a bit more help regarding these ASTP images.

I'm researching the Speedmaster watches used during the ASTP mission and I have a question that has me a bit stumped.

In looking at the two watches worn by Leonov and Kubasov on their wrists I see that there is a time difference of 1:45 when compared to the watch on the blue elastic worn on the upper arm.

In comparing the watches in the original image it appears that the watches worn by both cosmonauts on the blue elastic strap are set to the same time (2:25) as the American astronaut on the far right which I assume is set to Houston time. If my assumption is correct the Houston time could be secondary to the cosmonauts and could explain the position of the watch on the upper arm.

My question is what time zone are the cosmonauts primary (wrist) watches set to? Moscow is 8 hours ahead of Houston and none of the 11 Soviet time zones in 1975 recognized a 0:30 or 0:45 minute offset observed by small number of other countries.

Anyone here have the simple explanation that is eluding me?

Leonov: Houston(?) on elastic 12:55 - Wrist 11:10 is 1:45.

 photo 00a4c203-0da7-41fd-98f0-b9c9d466c444_zps63m4ti0u.jpg

Kubasov: Houston(?) on elastic 1:20 - Wrist 11:35 is 1:45.

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posted 10-03-2016 12:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Leonov had his three Omega watches set to "American time, Moscow time and flight time" according to this collectSPACE ASTP article.

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posted 10-03-2016 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TLIGuy   Click Here to Email TLIGuy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you. I read that article when I was originally looking for information about the ASTP watches.

Are you familiar with any images of Leonov wearing the three watches? Of all the images I have have been able to find I only see Leonov and Kubasov wearing two watches each.

Only seeing two watches I assumed one would be set to Houston and one to Moscow so I couldn't explain the 1:45 hour difference between the two.

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posted 10-03-2016 09:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have not seen any ASTP photos of Leonov wearing three watches.

AST-03-174 is another document signing photo. Deke Slayton is wearing two watches. Looks like his left wrist watch says 2:31 and his right wrist watch says 4:01, or close to that.

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posted 10-04-2016 06:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Photo AST-05-283 compares two watches worn by Leonov and I believe that is Stafford. It shows the 1:45 time difference mentioned earlier. My guess would be that the Stafford watch is on Houston time and the Leonov watch is on flight time.

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posted 10-04-2016 07:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for minipci     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe that the Soyuz 19 launch time was 12:20 UTC, so that would mean that there should always be a difference of 40 mins, not 45, between a flight time watch and one based on a standard time zone.

Now, it depends on how accurate the quoted launch time of 12:20 UTC is, and when Leonov's watch was actually started relevant to the actual launch to denote flight time.

Perhaps the watch shows elapsed time from some other event. Perhaps during countdown or docking?

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posted 10-04-2016 11:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The ASTP Summary Crew Activities Plan on page 5-6 shows the first transfer activity period when Stafford and Slayton are in the Soyuz and the joint certificate signing activities take place.

Looking at the plan and photo AST-03-174:

On the Apollo side, the first transfer activity runs from about 15:20 to 16:20 CDT and Slayton's watch (~4:01) seems to fit that.

On the Soyuz side, the first transfer activity runs from about 23:20 to 00:20 MT and Kubasov's watch (~12:01) seems to fit that.

So what is the ~2:25 time? Is it the joint crew activities time, perhaps?

TLIGuy
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posted 10-04-2016 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TLIGuy   Click Here to Email TLIGuy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you both for the help. The images and the times on the summary CAP are exactly the kind of information I was looking for.

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posted 10-07-2016 06:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Photo AST-05-283 and the Leonov (AST-05-284) and Kubasov (AST-05-293) photos shown earlier appear to have been taken during the fourth crew transfer activities. The watch times seem to match the CAP and work out like this:

AST-05-283 and Leonov photo: 23:10 MT is 55 minutes after the Slayton and Kubasov transfer from the CM to the docking module and Soyuz.

Kubasov photo: 23:35 MT is 1 hour 20 minutes after the same transfer.

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posted 10-12-2016 09:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TLIGuy   Click Here to Email TLIGuy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for the additional information. It has been very helpful.

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posted 11-03-2016 12:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philip   Click Here to Email Philip     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also check "MoonWatch Only" book on page 394 for a picture showing five Omega Speedmasters.

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posted 12-18-2016 08:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by TLIGuy:
Are you familiar with any images of Leonov wearing the three watches?

Gemini 5 pilot Pete Conrad was wearing three watches on launch day. The three watches can also be seen in recovery photo S65-46645 taken on the deck of the USS Lake Champlain.


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posted 12-18-2016 09:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philip   Click Here to Email Philip     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As far as I know, there are no images of Leonov wearing three Speedmasters The "Omega Speedmaster Apollo Soyuz: The First" book also mentions there were 11 Speedmaster chronographs onboard the ASTP mission.

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