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Topic: Searching for Apollo 10's LM 'Snoopy'
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Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 43576 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 09-20-2011 02:50 AM
collectSPACE The search for Snoopy: Astronomers and students to look for lost Apollo 10 moduleOkay kids, here's your homework: using robotically-controlled telescopes, search the sky for the only U.S. once-manned moon craft to still be in space: the Apollo 10 lunar module "Snoopy." If that sounds like a challenge, it is because it is. Acknowledging the difficulty, the Faulkes Telescope Project still hopes to enlist hundreds of UK schools to find the spent stage more than four decades after it was left to circle the Sun. Along the way, the astronomers hope to locate other rocket parts as well as perhaps discover new asteroids and comets... |
GACspaceguy Member Posts: 2516 From: Guyton, GA Registered: Jan 2006
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posted 09-20-2011 07:21 AM
WOW, what a great idea. This would be a great find as well. It sure would make a great test flight for an asteroid mission. That would make it a test flight vehicle going to rendezvous with a former test flight vehicle. |
Jay Chladek Member Posts: 2272 From: Bellevue, NE, USA Registered: Aug 2007
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posted 09-20-2011 09:04 AM
I've been thinking along the same lines for a few years as there are scientific benefits that come from such a mission. If material samples were taken from spent rocket stages and spacecraft like Snoopy, the samples could be returned to Earth to get an idea of what extreme long duration space exposure outside of Earth orbit can do to the hardware. As such, such data could be useful in helping the building of future spacecraft. It would be similar in idea to what the LDEF from the early shuttle days was. LDEF was aloft for about four years and returned a mountain of data. Imagine what 40 to 50 years of space exposure could provide in terms of data. And indeed, it would be a very good test for hardware being designed for an asteroid mission. |
jklier Member Posts: 54 From: Austin, Texas Registered: Aug 2007
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posted 09-20-2011 09:35 AM
Here's a previous thread discussing the subject: Apollo 10: Bringing "Snoopy" home |
Space Cadet Carl Member Posts: 225 From: Lake Orion, Michigan Registered: Feb 2006
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posted 09-20-2011 03:22 PM
John Young always joked about the fact that his DNA is still orbiting the Sun, residing within a plastic ziplock bag inside LM Snoopy. Apparently at one point, Young had to deficate onboard Snoopy and he left the waste onboard before it was sent into solar orbit. |
Jay Chladek Member Posts: 2272 From: Bellevue, NE, USA Registered: Aug 2007
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posted 09-20-2011 04:07 PM
Well, don't tell Hollywood or they might use it as an idea for the next science fiction horror movie (mutated poo comes back to Earth as a lunar module is returned from spending over four decades in orbit around the sun). It could be a monster movie that rivals the Godzilla franchise! |
Hart Sastrowardoyo Member Posts: 3446 From: Toms River, NJ Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 09-20-2011 04:30 PM
Well, there's always recovering it and making it into acrylics. |
bwhite1976 Member Posts: 283 From: Belleville, IL Registered: Jun 2011
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posted 09-20-2011 05:52 PM
quote: Originally posted by Jay Chladek: Well, don't tell Hollywood or they might use it as an idea for the next science fiction horror movie...
Hilarious. Yes, I was thinking the same thing. Maybe when they open the hatch there will be a lifeform that has evolved from dirty skivvies and the Sun's radiation. |
jklier Member Posts: 54 From: Austin, Texas Registered: Aug 2007
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posted 09-21-2011 08:58 AM
quote: Originally posted by Space Cadet Carl: John Young always joked about the fact that his DNA is still orbiting the Sun
Perhaps Young was setting things up so he could be cloned a few hundred years down the road! |
Philip Member Posts: 6002 From: Brussels, Belgium Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 04-02-2019 07:52 AM
Interesting fact about "Snoopy" and still fascinating 50 years later... What ultimately became of the 2011 efforts to find Snoopy? Where would one start if one were attempting to find it? Why is the search area so large if the starting conditions are known? |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 43576 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 04-27-2019 01:43 PM
The Times of London is reporting (behind a paywall) that a team of British astronomer and former flight controllers have located "Snoopy," the Apollo 10 lunar module, after beginning the search in 2011. ...eight years later, there was one object that just looked odd."It was a very strange anomalous object in approximately the right orbit and exactly the right size. The radar data was completely whack, as one astronomer put it. It was like nothing we've ever seen. We're 99 percent convinced we've got it[," said Nick Howes, a fellow of the Royal Astronomical Society.] At this distance, the only way to be absolutely certain it is Snoopy is to go up and get it. As far as Mr. Howes is concerned the argument for doing so is compelling. "To recover one [lunar module] that is intact, would be, I feel, quite special." No other details are provided by the article as to the nature of the object found or its location. |
pollux Member Posts: 54 From: London, England Registered: Dec 2005
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posted 04-28-2019 03:45 PM
I wouldn't get too excited — the article pretty much says "we're 99% sure we've found it." And nothing else! |
rgarner Member Posts: 1225 From: Shepperton, United Kingdom Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 04-28-2019 03:48 PM
Nick Howes is a close friend. I recall him sitting with Gene Cernan at Spacefest a number of years ago as they discussed the possibility of Snoopy still being out there, they had quite the debate! |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 43576 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 04-28-2019 04:16 PM
Nick Howes says more details will be announced at the Cheltenham Science Festival on June 8. In 1969, the Apollo 10 crew ejected the lunar module 'Snoopy' from the Apollo command module into a heliocentric orbit never to be seen again – or so they thought. Nick Howes, along with legendary flight controllers, space dynamics experts and astronauts from the Apollo programme, has spent a number of years in a calculated hunt for the errant lunar module. Join him to hear the tales of the hunt and the latest and exciting results of their search. |
Blackarrow Member Posts: 3160 From: Belfast, United Kingdom Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 04-29-2019 11:41 AM
quote: Originally posted by rgarner: ...the possibility of Snoopy still being out there
Barring a direct hit by a large space rock, "Snoopy" is certainly out there somewhere. Whether it can be spotted; and whether it can ever be retrieved - now THOSE are the key questions! |
dtemple Member Posts: 730 From: Longview, Texas, USA Registered: Apr 2000
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posted 06-10-2019 03:47 PM
LM-4 ascent stage found? According to this story it is almost certain. Nick Howes, a fellow of the Royal Astronomical Society, said he is certain it has been found and all they need is someone to go and retrieve it. Mr Howes said he began the search for the module in 2011 and calculated the odds of finding it were 235 million to one. He and a team of astronomers analysed terabytes of radar data and in 2018 found what they believe is Snoopy."We are 98% convinced we have found it. Until someone goes out and gets it, we can't be 100% sure. Until someone gets really close to it and gets a detailed radar profile, we can't be sure," Mr Howes said. "We've got to wait quite a few years for it to come back but once it does come back the idea is that we are going to get a really detailed picture of it." Editor's note: Threads merged. |
Space Cadet Carl Member Posts: 225 From: Lake Orion, Michigan Registered: Feb 2006
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posted 06-11-2019 12:04 PM
Someone should contact Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos about launching a probe to intercept Snoopy. It seems like the exact type of project those two would love to do. This is very cool news. |
Headshot Member Posts: 891 From: Vancouver, WA, USA Registered: Feb 2012
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posted 06-11-2019 12:46 PM
I wish the article had gone into more detail about what distinguished this object from all the others they investigated. It certainly had to be more than just simple orbital characteristics. Something unique about its spectrum, or an unusually high radar return perhaps? |
David C Member Posts: 1039 From: Lausanne Registered: Apr 2012
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posted 06-11-2019 01:01 PM
quote: Originally posted by Space Cadet Carl: Someone should contact Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos about launching a probe to intercept Snoopy.
Anyone for a "Bring Snoopy Home" Kickstarter? |
Space Cadet Carl Member Posts: 225 From: Lake Orion, Michigan Registered: Feb 2006
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posted 06-12-2019 10:40 AM
quote: Originally posted by Headshot: Something unique about its spectrum, or an unusually high radar return perhaps?
Good question. The Apollo 12 SIV-B stage was likely rediscovered a few years ago by spectral analysis. They found white paint, black paint and aluminum in the spectrum, which is consistent with a Saturn V. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 43576 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 06-12-2019 01:35 PM
One of the reasons we have yet to cover this "almost-certain" find here on collectSPACE is because, to the best of my knowledge, the team has not released any details about their search that would allow for a more in-depth article or allow others to check their work. A request has been made for such, but to date nothing has been forthcoming. |
Headshot Member Posts: 891 From: Vancouver, WA, USA Registered: Feb 2012
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posted 06-12-2019 08:53 PM
In an interview Howes stated that the object had the right heliocentric orbit, was artificial, and was the right size, but again gave no specifics about how this information was derived. |
Jurvetson Member Posts: 97 From: Los Altos an SF, CA, United States Registered: Sep 2011
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posted 06-18-2019 10:07 AM
Apollo X Snoopy, buyer pays for shipping...Astronomers think they found the Apollo 10 Lunar Module in orbit around the sun. This is the only intact flown Lunar Module ascent stage, as all of the others crashed into the moon, or in the case of Apollo 9 and 13, burned up on reentry to Earth. Certainly, Snoopy is one of the more curious objects man-made objects in solar orbit. Elon Musk's Tesla Roadster, which SpaceX launched into solar orbit via its inaugural Falcon Heavy flight in 2018, probably wins for "most curious." Musk is a big fan of the Apollo program, so maybe a salvage isn't totally out of the question. The module has suffered from a half-century of continuous ultraviolet radiation exposure, but it should be relatively intact. That would be a collector's dream. Editor's note: Threads merged. |
SpaceAholic Member Posts: 4494 From: Sierra Vista, Arizona Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 06-18-2019 10:36 AM
Except the government still retains ownership under article VIII of the Outer Space Treaty. |
Jurvetson Member Posts: 97 From: Los Altos an SF, CA, United States Registered: Sep 2011
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posted 06-18-2019 11:15 AM
It would seem analogous to Bezos' recovery of the Apollo engines... and open for negotiation. Another challenge: it would have to be enjoyed in space, for now... Maybe Starship could bring it back safely. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 43576 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 06-18-2019 11:33 AM
As I understand it, Bezos Expeditions was never in position to negotiate title to the F-1 engine hardware. Once ashore, the engine parts were under NASA's control.That said, and as noted above, there is still work needed to confirm that the suspect target is indeed Snoopy before any proposal for its recovery can proceed. |
Headshot Member Posts: 891 From: Vancouver, WA, USA Registered: Feb 2012
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posted 06-18-2019 11:52 AM
It would probably have to be secured to a cradle via the docking tunnel as it is most certainly in a very fragile state. Also, not certain how it might survive a series of relatively high delta v maneuvers. The gentle push of an ion drive engine might be better for its survival.We apparently have plenty of time to speculate about salvaging Snoopy, if it has been indeed located. I believe that its next closest approach to Earth is in 18 years. |