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Topic: Gemini landing systems (paraglider, parasail)
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Hart Sastrowardoyo Member Posts: 3446 From: Toms River, NJ Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 03-21-2007 12:39 PM
With regards to the Gemini paraglider program, if successful, could the capsules have been refurbished and reused on subsequent flights since one wouldn't have to worry about saltwater getting into any electrical components? |
heng44 Member Posts: 3420 From: Netherlands Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 03-22-2007 01:04 AM
I don't think that was the plan for Gemini, but it might have been possible. |
micropooz Member Posts: 1532 From: Washington, DC, USA Registered: Apr 2003
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posted 03-22-2007 01:53 PM
Interestingly enough, the Gemini 2 capsule was reused and relaunched as the Gemini-MOL test article. Also the Mercury-Atlas 3 (unmanned) capsule that went through a launch abort was reused for MA-4. So salt water immersion wasn't a deal-killer for reuse back then. However, in both cases, the reuses were for an unmanned flight. |
Dwayne Day Member Posts: 532 From: Registered: Feb 2004
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posted 03-22-2007 03:04 PM
I have an upcoming two-part article on the Gemini paraglider program that will appear in Spaceflight magazine. I did not do much original research for the article, however while doing my research, I came across no evidence that reuse was considered for Gemini. The primary goal of the paraglider program was to reduce the cost and complexity of the water recovery effort. |
E2M Lem Man Member Posts: 846 From: Los Angeles CA. USA Registered: Jan 2005
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posted 03-30-2007 03:46 PM
I have found some films of the Gemini tests years ago. Even model tests from the tops of buildings at NAA-Downey, that were trying (unsuccessfully) to develop the Rogallo wing for Gemini. The films claimed that with time they would have been able to get it right. |
Rusty B Member Posts: 239 From: Sacramento, CA Registered: Oct 2004
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posted 04-04-2007 04:04 PM
The NASA Technical Reports Server has two reports available online in PDF format about the Gemini Paraglider system: |
Dwayne Day Member Posts: 532 From: Registered: Feb 2004
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posted 04-09-2007 08:18 AM
The first document is actually not about the paraglider, but the parasail. That's really a modified parachute which is quite common today. It provides a little more control than a parachute, enabling the vehicle to be steered. The idea was that with the parasail, Gemini could be steered to a relatively accurate land landing.The interesting thing is that because the descent rate for the parasail was so high, the vehicle required braking rockets and the photographs at the end of the document are poor, but show some of the tests of the braking rockets and these are really interesting. There is a sequence showing a drop test with the rockets firing to slow the descent. I have one of those photos of the Gemini boilerplate held below a crane, but I did not realize that it was part of this test. Unfortunately, my photo is simply the first of the sequence and does not show the rockets firing, which is pretty dramatic. |
E2M Lem Man Member Posts: 846 From: Los Angeles CA. USA Registered: Jan 2005
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posted 06-13-2007 02:14 PM
A friend of mine found an early report that showed they had gone as far as a paraglider simulator for crew training. The report showed the exterior of the mockup with the positions of the mirrors. |
micropooz Member Posts: 1532 From: Washington, DC, USA Registered: Apr 2003
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posted 06-13-2007 06:49 PM
For any of you who haven't seen it, Ed Hengeveld wrote a fantastic monograph on the Gemini paraglider. It is well worth purchasing! You can purchase it off of Henry Matthews' website. |
kr4mula Member Posts: 642 From: Cinci, OH Registered: Mar 2006
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posted 06-18-2007 11:39 AM
There are some good paraglider documents at the National Archives in Ft. Worth. I've been out there researching other topics and poked my nose into a couple of paraglider boxes out of curiosity. But as with most research trips, time (and quarters for the copier!) was of the essence, so I didn't really take stock of the contents.When I interviewed mission planner Rod Rose a few years ago, he mentioned that he had a large stash of documents on the paraglider. I encouraged him to donate the stuff to the Johnson Space Center archives, but he said was considering his options at that time. I don't know what, if anything, he ever did with them. Back on the topic of the parasail, I don't have any pictures, but my JSC oral history with Kirby Hinson covers the topic in some detail. He worked for the parachute section responsible for the parasail alternative. |
Dwayne Day Member Posts: 532 From: Registered: Feb 2004
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posted 07-23-2007 11:09 AM
Some neat new stuff about the parasail: If a few well-intentioned experiments had worked out a little bit better than they did, Fort Hood might have a place in the history of space exploration to go along with its long-standing military reputation.Not only that, but the term "El Kabong" might have survived in popular culture as something of a scientific term instead of a character from a 1960s TV cartoon series. ...such a lofty goal required a certain amount of trial and error. A portion of that trial and error took place at Fort Hood, beginning in 1963 when NASA scientists arrived at the base to experiment with bringing a spacecraft and its astronauts back to earth instead of sea, as was the accepted practice. Scientists used a scaled-down Gemini capsule during the first two years of testing. The dummy capsule weighed about 400 pounds, or 4,600 pounds less than the real things. Tests with the miniature model went well enough to encourage NASA to test a full-scale model. The theory of bringing the capsule back to earth instead of sea centered on the use of a parasail-landing rocket system, which might sound simple but is anything but. The parasail, or parachute, was steered by radio command to operate motors on the capsule. The motors controlled flap angles on the parachute used to steer the direction of the drift. Altitude sensors suspended below the spacecraft were designed to touch the earth before the spacecraft did, which then ignited two 6,000-pound thrust motors that reduced the speed of the falling capsule from 30 feet a second to less than 10. The capsule landed on a tricycle landing gear and everybody aboard the spacecraft was to live happily ever after, or at the very least they were to live. The capsule, dubbed El Kabong for reasons that are open to speculation, was dropped from an Air Force Reserve C-119 from an altitude of 11,500 feet at Fort Hood on April 21, 1965. The initial test did not have a happy ending; the capsule landed on its side. ...a trip back to the drawing board resulted in an improved turn motor but the second drop, made while Gemini 4 was circling the earth, did not go well either. Damage to the lines that guide the capsule on its way to earth forced Norman to stop the sequence because he could not guide the chute. The third time was the charm. A successful drop and landing was made on July 31, 1965 when the capsule landed within 40 feet of its target on Fort Hood's Antelope Mound tank range. "We've got a winner!" an ebullient Norman cried when the capsule landed upright on its tricycle landing gear. "This is the first successful landing (of a spacecraft) in this country!" he told reporters. "As far as I can tell, everything worked 100 percent." |
Fra Mauro Member Posts: 1640 From: Bethpage, N.Y. Registered: Jul 2002
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posted 06-11-2018 08:10 AM
In the book, "Calculated Risk," the story goes that the para glider system was ended by astronaut opposition, as verbalized by Wally Schirra. Anyone know how accurate that is? |
taneal1 Member Posts: 242 From: Orlando, FL Registered: Feb 2004
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posted 04-26-2020 12:34 PM
The paraglider is frequently mentioned in the Gemini documentation that is currently available, especially results of the test program. However, very little is stated regarding the equipment that was installed in the spacecraft.A single winch was mounted on the nose gear to control the payout of the line closest to the apex of the paraglider. Apparently it was used to reduce the strain that occurred when the inflated paraglider was released from the nose of the spacecraft and the suspension/control lines took the weight of the spacecraft. During gliding flight it limited the maximum angle of attack of the wing to safe angles. Pitch was controlled by varying the length of forward and aft control lines attached to the keel of the wing and to a winch mounted inside the spacecraft between the astronauts heads. I am unable to find a specific description as to the actual working of this system. Photos of a Test Vehicle show two separate reels mounted in tandem atop the spacecraft facing fore and aft. It appears that as one pitch cable was shortened, the other was lengthened to shift the center of mass forward of backward. This would alter the angle of attack of the wing. The roll control system worked in a similar manner using it's own winch, presumably located adjacent to the pitch winch. The roll control lines from the wing enter two openings located at the 10 and 2 o'clock positions just forward of the heatshield. I haven't found any diagrams of the control cable routing but it seems reasonable to assume that pulleys are located internally within these openings, and the control lines continue on to the roll winch. There is no evidence of this, but prior to wing deployment the control lines from the doors to the wing must reside in a covered trough along the perimeter of the spacecraft, just aft of the crew hatches. How did the control system function that allowed the astronauts to control the wing? Was it simply a constant speed drive, i.e. deflect the stick in the desired direction for an estimated time and observe the result? Or, knowing NASA, was it actually an attitude hold, or rate command system? There are several methods that could have been used. Any information pertinent to the above would be greatly appreciated. The post 1965 versions of the Gemini Familiarization Manual contain no reference to the paraglider system. However, a diagram of the paraglider deployment sequence states the June 1, 1962 version of the Gemini Familiarization Manual as a reference. In this time frame the paraglider was the only method expected to be used by Gemini, so it *should* contain some information. I have been unable to find this older version online. Does anyone have a familiarization manual with paraglider information? Editor's note: Threads merged. |
space1 Member Posts: 866 From: Danville, Ohio Registered: Dec 2002
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posted 04-26-2020 05:38 PM
The roll cables would have been enclosed in the troughs with white rubber covers aft of the hatches. When deployed the cables would have torn through the white rubber covers, just as the parachute cable did in the long central trough between the hatches when switching to two-point suspension.From what I have seen of system diagrams the pitch and roll winches were enclosed in the top aft portion of the cockpit structure. Pulleys near the aft outside corners of the hatches would direct the cables to the corners of the paraglider. |
taneal1 Member Posts: 242 From: Orlando, FL Registered: Feb 2004
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posted 04-26-2020 08:51 PM
Thanks for the reply, very helpful. quote: Originally posted by space1: From what I have seen of system diagrams the pitch and roll winches were enclosed in the top aft portion of the cockpit structure.
Yes, the location of these "gas-operated winches" is the only info I have found. Diagrams or photos would be extremely helpful. Can you share these "system diagrams" you mention, or suggest a source where I might obtain them?The paraglider "Control Actuation Assembly" was built by the Aerospace Division of Vickers, Inc. and the Paraglider "Electronic Control System" by the Aeronautical Division of Minneapolis-Honeywell. I have sent emails to them regarding this equipment, but have not received a reply from either company. Due to the time lapse I doubt they will have anything, but I had to try. |
oly Member Posts: 1004 From: Perth, Western Australia Registered: Apr 2015
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posted 04-26-2020 11:43 PM
Pages 372 (390 of 488) and 373 of Gemini Land Landing System Development Program: Volume II, Supporting Investigations. |
taneal1 Member Posts: 242 From: Orlando, FL Registered: Feb 2004
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posted 04-27-2020 07:22 AM
Thanks. As I'm sure you know, this is actually a parasail document. BUT! My copy does not include the section you mention. The turn-line control "rip-out channels" (information on p.336 and the diagram on p.354) were used for the paraglider roll-control lines so this was quite helpful.I wish my paraglider docs offered as much detailed information as the parasail docs do. North American released a final report on the 12 manned flights — all successful — that closed the program, but I've never found it. I wonder if NAA ever sent it on to NASA? |
Explorer1 Member Posts: 208 From: Los Angeles, CA, USA Registered: Apr 2019
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posted 04-27-2020 10:34 PM
Were the paraglider research vehicle (Paresev) flights part of the Gemini program at all or were they completely independent of the Gemini Rogallo wing program? Also what was the official name for the Rogallo wing feature of the Gemini capsule? Was it called paraglider spacecraft recovery or something else?Also, the Gemini tow test vehicle that Jack Swigert rode in did not have any means of ejection. Therefore, he did not wear a parachute, is that correct? Editor's note: Threads merged. |