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yotlu
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posted 09-05-2018 06:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for yotlu   Click Here to Email yotlu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I stumbled across this Armstong autograph on a local online marketplace. It says it has already been sold for 900€.

I am no expert, but to me it seems a bit unusual. What do you think?

Rick Mulheirn
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posted 09-05-2018 08:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rick Mulheirn   Click Here to Email Rick Mulheirn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In my opinion, a fake. A waste of a red serial number glossy.

Ken Havekotte
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posted 09-05-2018 12:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Havekotte   Click Here to Email Ken Havekotte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Agree and very much so!

Dirk
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posted 09-05-2018 04:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dirk   Click Here to Email Dirk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very bad...

Jonnyed
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posted 09-05-2018 08:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jonnyed   Click Here to Email Jonnyed     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
An unfortunate way to spend 900 euro.

Chuckster01
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posted 09-06-2018 05:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chuckster01   Click Here to Email Chuckster01     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The number of fake autographs is mind boggling. I have seen almost every Apollo era astronaut forged and some are fairly good fakes.

We had 36 forgeries sent to the American Space Museum so far for auction but thanks to Ken Havekotte, Steve Zarelli and Gerry Montague who help authenticate our listings none made it to market. (All were turned over to the Florida State Attorney for prosecution.)

These fakes are not only in space collecting but sports, music, historic autographs, political and as with the Apollo 13 cast signed, movies.

It is sad that a collector cannot buy any signed item without having a professional authentication these days as it seems there are more forgeries then real signatures.

denali414
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posted 09-06-2018 05:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for denali414   Click Here to Email denali414     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The FBI a few years ago estimated up to 80% of autographs on eBay were fraudulent.

Rick Mulheirn
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posted 09-06-2018 08:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rick Mulheirn   Click Here to Email Rick Mulheirn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For that very reason, I have only ever bought one autograph from eBay, and I ran that by four cS members of note before taking the plunge.

yotlu
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posted 09-06-2018 05:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yotlu   Click Here to Email yotlu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Speaking of the FBI's estimate, the guy also offers other 'autographs' of other celebrities. The guy seems to be up to something.

Steve Zarelli
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posted 09-07-2018 07:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steve Zarelli   Click Here to Email Steve Zarelli     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by denali414:
The FBI a few years ago estimated up to 80% of autographs on eBay were fraudulent.

I believe that number comes from quotes related to the FBI’s Operation Bullpen forgery sting in the late 90s. I believe that it’s been taken out of context and somewhat distorted.

An 80% fake rate may be accurate for certain high-risk autographs. Michael Jordan, Michael Jackson, Mickey Mantle , etc. It certainly does not apply to all autographs in general.

yotlu
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posted 08-07-2019 06:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for yotlu   Click Here to Email yotlu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Right in time for the 50th anniversary the same guy as in the original post tries it again. This time without effort.

However a second Armstrong autograph on paper is offered. What do you think about this one?

fredtrav
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posted 08-13-2019 11:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fredtrav   Click Here to Email fredtrav     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The others are so bad, I wouldn't buy the third unless it had a full LOA by someone like Steve Zarelli. Even then it is overpriced.

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