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Chuckster01
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posted 08-29-2018 03:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chuckster01   Click Here to Email Chuckster01     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was wondering if this is legal to sell or even for the people who found it to keep?
This is the aerodynamic nose cone from the mission to resupply the International Space Station that was launched on 10 January 2015. It was boosted into space and then ejected from the launch vehicle once it was out of Earth's atmosphere. That occurred at a speed of 8,200 kph and an altitude 117 km. Three days later, it was found in international waters off the Bahamas and, therefore, has no recorded title. It was damaged when it struck the water after re-entry.

denali414
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posted 08-29-2018 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for denali414   Click Here to Email denali414     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Three days later, it was found in international waters off the Bahamas and, therefore, has no recorded title...
Well, from everything that Robert has posted, that isn't correct and unless SpaceX specifically says they have relinquished all rights, it is still their property.
Title to recovered space debris is ruled by the Outer Space Treaty of 1967, specifically Article VIII:
A State Party to the Treaty on whose registry an object launched into outer space is carried shall retain jurisdiction and control over such object, and over any personnel thereof, while in outer space or on a celestial body.

Ownership of objects launched into outer space, including objects landed or constructed on a celestial body, and of their component parts, is not affected by their presence in outer space or on a celestial body or by their return to the Earth. Such objects or component parts found beyond the limits of the State Party to the Treaty on whose registry they are carried shall be returned to that State Party, which shall, upon request, furnish identifying data prior to their return.

As such, any fallen space debris remains the legal property of the originating nation (or organization within the nation) until it explicitly releases ownership.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 08-29-2018 06:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Correct. I have contacted the seller and have made SpaceX aware of the auction.

datkatz
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posted 08-29-2018 08:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for datkatz   Click Here to Email datkatz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not so fast. SpaceX is not a "State Party." Are space vehicles launched by independent contractors "on the registry" of a State Party?

Robert Pearlman
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posted 08-29-2018 08:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Quoting Article VI of the treaty:
States Parties to the Treaty shall bear international responsibility for national activities in outer space, including the moon and other celestial bodies, whether such activities are carried on by governmental agencies or by non-governmental entities, and for assuring that national activities are carried out in conformity with the provisions set forth in the present Treaty.
SpaceX has already reclaimed Falcon and Dragon hardware under the terms of the treaty. This situation is no different.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 09-04-2018 04:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The listing has been removed by eBay.

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