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Dirk
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posted 09-30-2017 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dirk   Click Here to Email Dirk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does any know who this (von Braun) engineer could be? I cannot read the signature.

Mike_The_First
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posted 10-01-2017 10:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike_The_First   Click Here to Email Mike_The_First     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
eBay item 401382071197 is signed by the same individual.

They don't know who it is either, but it may help put the individual in context, as it's a cover cacheted for the "space shuttle external tank rollout," postmarked MSFC Sept. 1977, and also signed by Oscar Holderer.

The same cachet with the same postmark and the same signers was also sold as part of item 372008312812.

The lot that sold as eBay item 232427343051 had a different cover signed by this individual ("NASA Space Shuttle Solid Rocket Motor by Thiokol," Sept 1979, also signed by Heinz G Struck), but that was one of the sellers who offers no description of the item beyond the title ("Peenemünde/USA 10 cover, all orig. signed von Braun members, space"), so it's of no help beyond offering further context.

Wehaveliftoff
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posted 10-05-2017 12:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wehaveliftoff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Looks like Raymond Cuypers?

Mike_The_First
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posted 10-05-2017 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike_The_First   Click Here to Email Mike_The_First     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can't find a single image of him wearing corrective lenses.

And he looks nothing like that (here's a photo where's not in the shadow of a hat — he's the one in the flight suit). Especially when you adjust for the time difference between the photos, Cuypers, born in 1959, is (and visibly looks) much younger than the gentleman in question.

And then, of course, there's the issue of why collectors would get him on multi-signed shuttle pieces when the other signers were actually involved in the shuttle in some capacity. I've seen some covers that don't seem to follow much of an internal logic, but never a multi-signed piece where one of the signers, by any stretch of the imagination, had no right to be there.

Not to mention that, while it's possible that they were all done by the same person, there were some differences that lead me to believe that they were done by separate collectors, which further reduces the likelihood, as I can't see multiple people deciding to add him to a von Braun engineer signed shuttle cover or building a multi-signed cover around a Raymond Cuypers autograph.

Or, to put it even more simply: No, it's not Raymond Cuypers.

Dirk
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posted 10-05-2017 02:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dirk   Click Here to Email Dirk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Indeed it is not R. Cuypers, he is a personal friend and Belgian pilot.

Do not know how you came to him?

Wehaveliftoff
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posted 10-05-2017 11:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wehaveliftoff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually I just copied and pasted the photo to Google Images, and came up with what I thought the closest resemblance.

Dirk
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posted 10-06-2017 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dirk   Click Here to Email Dirk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very coincidence, I have a site about the SV-4B biplane (sv4b.be), and Raymons Cuypers is a plane restorer in Belgium.

But, so still nothing about that unknown engineer...

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